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Move "Epoch (reference date)" to "Epoch (date reference)"?[edit]

Please see Talk:Epoch (date reference)#RFC:Undiscussed page move. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jc3s5h (talkcontribs) 02:47, February 18, 2019 (UTC)

RFC: Proposed new guidelines for inclusion of politicians in yearly birth/death sections[edit]

The following RFC essentially asks for feedback and suggestions for a proposed guideline to do with inclusion of political figures in the main yearly birth/death sections. Any feedback is welcome provided that it remains on-topic and to do strictly with political figures. --Thescrubbythug (talk) 16:51, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

This has already been brought up on the Talk:2021 page as a direct result of the discussions held on the Walter Mondale-Deputy heads of government/state thread, and specifically a result of minor domestic political figures with no international notability such as John B. Anderson being included on the main yearly death sections for years without scrutiny.

Perhaps this could be the best criteria when it comes to including politicians on the birth/death sections of yearly pages going forward - which would be incredibly useful not only to prevent these sections becoming overly represented by "a nightmare of politicians" as described by Alsoriano97, but also to ensure that figures from a particular country don't receive automatic preferential treatment over those who held equivalent positions elsewhere. The question is specifically, which politicians should be considered internationally notable or consequential enough for inclusion on the main yearly pages rather than just Year In Topic. I've broken this proposed guideline down to the following categories:

1. Heads of government/state (Prime Ministers, Presidents, Chancellors, Governor-Generals, etc.) are automatically included. This is something that has quite rightly been in place for some time, and should remain that way. I would additionally add that people regarded as key, central "founding father" figures of a nation should be considered consequential enough for inclusion.

2. Heads of major intergovernmental organisations (such as the Secretary-General of the United Nations, President of the European Commission, etc.) should also be automatically included.

3. Politicians who served as Foreign Affairs Minister, Secretary of State, Foreign Secretary, etc. whose actions were internationally notable and/or consequential should be considered for inclusion.

4. Any other politicians (including deputy heads of government/state and Opposition leaders/Presidential candidates who failed to win an election) should only be included if they are internationally notable and/or consequential for reasons other than just holding the title of their office - such as those who were also notable for non-political reasons; those who won major international prizes such as the Nobel Prize; those who played prominent roles in major and historic international events (such as organising a war or playing a central role in organising a consequential treaty); and those who gained international notoriety for potential war crimes/crimes against humanity.

Political figures for the last two points should be judged on a case-by-case basis. Would be glad to hear what people think about these proposed guidelines going forward, and if there are any other considerations for inclusion that we should specify. Thescrubbythug (talk) 11:51, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Jojoju1998 I alert you to this as well, which to be entirely honest is probably a more appropriate place to have a discussion on this, given that a consensus here would have a direct impact on all the pages to do with the Years WikiProject. Thescrubbythug (talk) 16:53, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
George Shultz would be included right ? Since many historical experts credit him with developing the 1980s Cold War Policy that led to the collaspe of the Soviet Union. Jojoju1998 (talk) 17:46, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
I actually said on the Talk:2021 page (before the discussion got derailed) that I would be in favour of Schultz, as well as others such as Henry Kissinger, Colin Powell, and Dean Rusk. Thescrubbythug (talk) 17:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
Wikipedia already has a policy on notability. What's wrong with that? If the person has an article on WP.en, include him; if s/he doesn't, don't. It doesn't get more automatic than that! Guarapiranga (talk) 00:18, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
This is to do with the sections on pages such as 2021, not for example Deaths in March 2021. As explained on Talk:2021, there’s something seriously wrong with a system where figures such as John B. Anderson and Frank Carlucci are included without question and with nobody removing them for years, despite the fact that both were minor domestic political figures with insufficient notability, and who had they been from any other country, they would have been almost immediately scrutinised and removed. That is the basis of why myself and Jim Michael have brought this issue to a head, and why we came up with this proposed guideline. Thescrubbythug (talk) 03:08, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
Tangential remark: is it sensible to create a guideline which extends beyond politicians? Many entries are for people who were barely notable in other areas, such as once reaching #73 in the Ruritanian music chart. (Ideally, it would also advise whether releasing version 69.420 of Sportsball Manager qualifies as an event, but that's a stretch.) Certes (talk) 09:54, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
I don’t know if a single guideline that blankets every category is a great idea, given that there would have to be a fair bit of nuance for who should qualify as notable enough from each category. I am in full agreement though that there should be guidelines for other areas though, such as for areas of “pop culture” (film industry; music; etc.) and sport (where there’s regularly controversy over the inclusion of European soccer players or American baseball players). The other concern is that users would criticise the inclusion of a certain “pop culture” figure over a political figure, despite the fact that you really cannot compare the two. In any case, working out nuances between categories would be essential. Thescrubbythug (talk) 11:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Mass move request for timelines of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict[edit]

I proposed to rename pages from "Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, YYYY" to "YYYY in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict". Discussion is at Talk:Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2020#Requested move 15 May 2021. --Triggerhippie4 (talk) 21:51, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Proposal for Yearly based WikiProjects[edit]

So I want to propose a new type of WikiProject that would either be a stand alone WikiProject OR be a sub-WikiProject of multiple WikiProjects (Depending on the year). Examples of main WikiProjects would be Current Events, History, and Years. If you take 2020 for example, WikiProject COVID will be a part of it, but in 2018, they wouldn't. My idea is a WikiProject based for a year. For example, the WikiProject of 2021, WikiProject of 2020, ect... The idea for the WikiProject would be to improve articles that are about that year. If you were to pick this year for example, all articles about events or anything related to 2021 would be a part of that WikiProject. WikiProject history is more for the event aspects. WikiProject Current events is for current events, so they only cover a small amount of articles. WikiProject years is more for timelines and categories. No WikiProject really covers a year with the goal in mind to improve articles about that year. They all cover aspects of that year, just not the entire year.

WikiProjects can be created by anyone if they can get some members (Aka not just 1 or 2 people). I would be willing to create 2021's if anyone else would like to join. I would feel safe starting it once maybe 4-5 others say they want to join.

  • My proposal is more of asking for support for a 2021 WikiProject to see how that "test run" goes. If it works, then maybe WikiProjects for other years would be on the table.

If you want to support/join a 2021 based WikiProject or you are fully opposed to it, don't hesitate to leave a comment below. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

  • (P.S.) Update: I have started a draft state version of the WikiProject. If we decide to not go through with it, we can speedy delete it. If we want to go through with it, we have a draft version. See Draft:Wikipedia:WikiProject of 2021 for that draft state version. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:50, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
Started a proposal here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/2021. Elijahandskip (talk) 18:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
@Elijahandskip: I don't think it makes much sense. There is a reason why WikiProjects cover aspects, not incidental connections. It's unlikely that someone would be hugely enthusiastic about, say 2021 but not 2020, or a subject matter expert of the former but with little knowledge about the latter. Furthermore, many events in certain years are entirely unrelated and only incidentally connected by time. If you are interested in a certain year, these articles can be easily found through categories, and there is no one stopping you from improving them. I just don't see the need for WikiProjects, their organization, or the tools they have to coordinate this work. – Finnusertop (talkcontribs) 00:46, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
Many people have reason to lack enthusiasm for 2020 but you're quite right. "Wikiproject current year" might be more popular, or have I just reinvented Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events? Task forces for past decades could also work: I can see editors being interested in and knowledgeable about, say, the 1970s, but not enough for a project per year. Certes (talk) 11:05, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
I did. Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/2021. Elijahandskip (talk) 10:34, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Categorising by date first mentioned[edit]

For cities whose date of establishment is not known, should they be categorised by the date of the earliest mention in historical records? Please see and comment at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_July_27#Establishments_based_on_first-mentioned_dates. – Fayenatic London 14:20, 27 July 2021 (UTC)