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January 16[edit]

Article: Suit[edit]

Hi!, this is a question for User:Andethyst

Thank you for having informed me that you reverted my change. But I insist :-) that the man's tie on that photo is not long enough - the ending is above his belt so that there is a gap, showing the shirt. A tie's ending should go down to the trousers rather than showing that gap. I think it is appropriate to say "notice that the tie is not long enough", given the fact that folks need help how to dress properly. Thanks for listening, Aristobulus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.0.115.169 (talk) 03:37, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

If you want to talk to the specific user, the place to do so is User talk:Andethyst. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
...or, per the Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, you could post on Talk:Suit, and {{ping}} Andethyst to join the conversation. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:11, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
When you try to persuade Andethyst, or anyone else, of such an assertion as "A tie's ending should go down to the trousers rather than showing that gap", you'll need to cite a reliable source for it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:44, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
77.0.115.169, you are apparently posting from Germany; the photo in question is of a man in Australia – do you seriously think that minor points of male fashion worldwide are all exactly the same as they are in Germany, or that everyone in a particular place has to conform to the same "rules" exactly, with no room for personal preferences? In any case, the article is about Suits, not Ties, and barely mentions let alone discusses the latter, so it is not appropriate to insert (unsupported) advice about them in a photo caption. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.195.175.103 (talk) 21:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
There are no exceptions to the proper length of a tie: The tip must be in the middle of the waistband. Those rules shall be rigorously enforced on Wikipedia. No photos of ties that are worn incorrectly! Vexations (talk) 22:18, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
I propose deleting all images on Commons that display improperly worn ties.[Humor]NJD-DE (talk) 22:22, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
While you're at it, delete all the other photos of fashion mistakes.[Humor] --Gronk Oz (talk) 23:09, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Oh, BROTHER! Don't you just love people who haven't got a clue what Wikipedia is, who have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to contribute, and want to contribute it anyway? Uporządnicki (talk) 23:23, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
@AzseicsoK: I do like new editors who attempt to improve Wikipedia by their edits, even if they are mistaken and the edits are a net negative. Many such new editors can be helped into a productive role when they are taught what to do and what not to do.
I do not like old-timers who say that such editors haven’t got a clue [and] have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to contribute, therefore making sure they feel unwelcome and never come back. If you do not think it is worth giving help, patrolling the Help Desk might not be for you.
I am also uncomfortable with jokes dismissing the fashion note as irrelevant, frivolous, etc. I agree it is out-of-place and unsourced in the OP’s edit, but I disagree with the dismissal of such information as useless. I think fashion is roughly useless, but many people find many parts of Wikipedia useless, including parts I deeply care about. Presumably every part of Wikipedia that is not a paid editing stunt has at least one interested reader (whichever editor started the page). TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:33, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
@Tigraan: Your thoughts are well-considered; I will take your chastisement under consideration. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:32, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Category help[edit]

Hi Folks!! I've forgotten howto categories. It's been a while. I created Alina Anisimova and I've created Category:Kyrgyzstan women engineers but it is not showing up in Category:Women engineers by nationality I added the base categories into Category:Kyrgyzstan women engineers, but nothig is showing. I've missed something? scope_creepTalk 10:28, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

I've tweaked your question to show the links to the categories. It will then make it easier to answer your question--David Biddulph (talk) 10:48, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
You should have put Category:Kyrgyzstan women engineers into Category:Women engineers by nationality, and not put Alina Anisimova into the latter as she is in the former. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:51, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
You might usefully look at a few of the other nationality entries in Category:Women engineers by nationality to see what are appropriate parent categories for Category:Kyrgyzstan women engineers. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:56, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: I really did. I'll do it. scope_creepTalk 11:01, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: That worked. scope_creepTalk 11:26, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Help needed in a dispute[edit]

I need help in finding the appropriate place for reporting problems I am encountering in a disagreement with another editor. The issue is the validity of a source for verifying a significant claim in a fairly prominent article (1 million annual views). I had posted an accuracy dispute template to the section where the source was being used and explained my concerns on the article's talk page. I then had a short exchange with the editor in question who without providing what I thought was a satisfactory response removed the template. I was reluctant to reapply it, but after a lengthier discussion, it appeared my original questions were valid or at least needed a closer look. So I informed the editor I was going to post the template again and respectfully asked that he allow it to stand until other editors could provide input. He ignored that request and removed the template. It is highly unlikely that any further discussions will resolve the matter. This is the first time I have experienced a situation like this, and I'm not able to find exactly where I should post a request for assistance. Thank you. Allreet (talk) 12:10, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Alfreet. Dispute resolution lays out the appropriate steps. --ColinFine (talk) 14:41, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, Allreet, mispinged. --ColinFine (talk) 15:01, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Titanic sinking[edit]

Is this footage real or fake?

http :// youtu. be/ v2p9A2bVCBw

--37.116.102.74 (talk) 17:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! The Wikipedia Help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. You could try submitting the URL to Snopes or Captain Disillusion for them to investigate. GoingBatty (talk) 17:11, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
You could try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. youtu. be is somehing of a bad sign. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:33, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

GrowthExperiments log[edit]

An item popped up on my Watchlist for this log. Why?--Bbb23 (talk) 21:53, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

@Bbb23: The full log is at Special:Log/growthexperiments – earlier some folks were playing around with the mentor/mentee features which are part of the Growth Team project. If you've watchlisted the talk page of any of the "claimed" users, it would show up as a log event. DanCherek (talk) 23:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
@DanCherek: Perfect. Thanks! --Bbb23 (talk) 23:27, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Editors on the spectrum[edit]

I've recently encountered issues that might have not happened if other editors knew the editor in question was on the spectrum. Do we have an essay to inform editors that it's worth considering, and how to inoffensively ask? valereee (talk) 22:54, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

There is theoretically an essay. It's horrifically offensive and I would have it MfDed in seconds if I thought that'd be productive. Such is the tricky part -- individual views of "what autism means in the context of Wikipedia" are so wildly disparate that I'm not sure what consensus could be sought here. (One particular issue I've noticed coming up is that the people who publicly disclose autism, such as on their userpages, are a very unrepresentative sample of all editors the term can be applied to, in ways that can perpetuate misconceptions.) Vaticidalprophet 23:02, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Yes, that's the rub. It's horrifically offensive to ask. But in the case I'm looking at, if folks had realized...maybe there would have been a better outcome. valereee (talk) 23:09, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, it's not necessarily offensive to ask. What can be offensive is what people come in with -- including what people who [identify with the term/consider the term relevant to their own Wikipedia editing] come in with. The tricky thing, as it is, is that a lot of Wikipedia disputes that are outside identified as "someone is being misunderstood for being autistic" are really "someone is being misunderstood because the way they are autistic is not the way their interlocutor is autistic". Very often the response to "hey, that guy's doing that because he's autistic" is "yeah, so am I and I'm not doing that" -- that is, the fact someone happens to think in a way divergent from the mainstream cultural context is of fairly complicated relevance to an environment itself divergent from the mainstream cultural context. (And in many cases where one or both participants wouldn't self-identify with the term, it could still be reasonably applicable.) Tamzin's solution is the best I've found. Vaticidalprophet 00:50, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Sorry, that seems to be simply a link to Tamzin's user? valereee (talk) 01:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
It's a ping so she can explain it if she wants -- I don't trust myself not to butcher the explanation :) Vaticidalprophet 01:10, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
@Valereee: I assume Vati is referring to this, from User:Tamzin § Four rules I try to follow:

I contend that every person who edits Wikipedia without compensation and in good faith has a mind that works a bit differently from the rest of the society. As a practical matter this means that I try to treat everyone like they're somewhere on the autism spectrum... since most of them either are or have subclinical symptoms thereof. Even if someone isn't on or near the spectrum, there's still no harm done by treating them with a little extra AGF and putting a bit more thought into how I phrase things.

There's a pinned conversation on my talkpage about exactly what I mean by that, which can be summarized as: We edit Wikipedia because we see things that need to be a certain way but aren't. For some of us, that's an autistic trait. For others, it's a neurodivergent-but-not-autistic trait. (It comes up in ADHD and anxiety disorders, for instance.) And for others, it's neither of the above... but still by definition a sentiment that sets them apart from the general population. I say "by definition" because if most people cared as much about fixing things that aren't right as Wikipedians do, most people would be Wikipedians. And so most conflict we see on Wikipedia comes from, as Vati alludes to, one person needing things to be right in one way, and another person needing things to be right in another way. Hence the tendency that some of our bitterest disputes are about the most trivial things. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she/they) 02:37, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

January 17[edit]

Article for deletion[edit]

I'm new to wikipedia, and I wanted to know if this article should be deleted, and if so, how can I propose it for deletion: TidalCycles, in my opinion the article reads like an obvious advertisement, its been mostly written by kindohm (a member of the tidalcycles community) and Yaxu (its author). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uwsi (talkcontribs) 01:28, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@Uwsi, welcome to Wikipedia! Not at all my subject, but at least one of the sources, CDM Create Digital Music, seems like a WP:BLOG. I have seen worse articles, but that doesn't mean this is a good one.
If you want to start a deletion discussion, my advice is this: First do WP:BEFORE. Still want to go ahead? Then enable WP:TWINKLE, and start the afd with that, it's so much easier than doing it "by hand." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Request Help for proper way to reference Entry through Gale.[edit]

I'm using Gale through the Wikipedia Library and have found a biographical entry that I would like to reference, but I can't figure out how to. I'm pretty sure the URL isn't stable (someone else doing a search will probably get a different one, and I *think* it would be better as cite book or cite journal, but I can't tell. If someone has a better place to ask, please let me go.

http://go-gale-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/ps/retrieve.do?tabID=Biographies&resultListType=RESULT_LIST&searchResultsType=MultiTab&hitCount=1&searchType=AdvancedSearchForm&currentPosition=1&docId=GALE%7CK1645532244&docType=Brief+biography&sort=Relevance&contentSegment=ZXAM-MOD1&prodId=BIC&pageNum=1&contentSet=GALE%7CK1645532244&searchId=R2&userGroupName=wikipedia&inPS=true

Ideas?Naraht (talk) 02:42, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

The URL sends me to an Esther B. Jones. I can maybe help if that's the correct one. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 16:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Skarmory That is the correct one.Naraht (talk) 22:17, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
@Naraht: <ref>{{Cite book|url=http://link.gale.com/apps/doc/K1645532244/BIC?u=wikipedia&sid=bookmark-BIC&xid=eb617438|title=Who's Who Among African Americans|publisher=[[Gale (publisher)|Gale]]|year=2003|chapter=Esther B. Jones|access-date=January 18, 2022}}</ref>
That should work. Took a while, but works as a cite book. Should display as
"Esther B. Jones". Who's Who Among African Americans. Gale. 2003. Retrieved January 18, 2022.
Hope that helped! Skarmory (talk • contribs) 13:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Skarmory Thank you very much. I think the sid= can be dropped, but if wikipedia is dropped it asks for a user first. I'm going to use it now. :)Naraht (talk) 14:58, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
There's a copy link button in the top right I believe which is where I got that from. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 15:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Steamcenter[edit]

HELLO EVERYONE

THANKS

I AM UNBLOCKED

it was a shock for me too see i am blocked.

I use twitter and facebook as social #media where blocking etc. Is quick

But i saw wikipedia as a knowledge cobtribution thing not a place for blocking someone

Later was told i was never blocked on English. Some other language. Really hope Wikipedia can sonehow eliminate that.

I am interrupting developing my new article on floral tea still in draft form for a few days .

I love wikipedia. It is best available source of information but perhaps it can be improved. For that just launched a page on facebook called

Wikipedia users groyp Steamcenter (talk) 09:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)steamcenter.blogspot

Left in that typo for groyp for a reason explained there.

One immediate imprv. Is possible. Editing a page on

Kalu Singh Mahara noticed that info was great but English poor. Looks like a poor translation job. Did some to fix it. Perhaps there might be a way to check that. By sending it to drafts with a heading. This page needs language improvement. Otherwise students from my hometown uttarakhand copy it for school essay — Preceding unsigned comment added by talk:Steamcenter#top|talk]] • contribs) 09:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

 – Added section header and moved to bottom of page. GoingBatty (talk) 04:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi there i am a retired professor with a Phd and got onto wikipedia enthuiastically. I have been on it off and on many years ago and recall some of processes only. But it was great going until suddenly i find i am blocked for a month.

The reason could be a political one. Please can some one help.

This is just a hunch but i had made a change to one Hindutva activist listed as a notable in malhotra suname caste by name of Rajiv Malhotra . He rechanged it perhaps for political reasons using a group of similar minded persons maybe. If this be the case it is unjust and unfair. Wikipedia will then go down the road as others including twitter. google. Facebook etc being investigate for unfair practices in many countries

However, whatever be the cause please tell me the reason or do not say you are blocked because there are multiple blocks against you. Just say get out. We are in here to peagad and 1984 the world abd then i shall continue my social work in gray years elsewhere or perhaps committ suicide if life becomes impossible.

Please help!

If anyone is listening.

Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steamcenter (talkcontribs) 04:54, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Steamcenter

I have used the nane steamcenter for over a decade on the internet on various forums. My real name is Ashok — Preceding unsigned comment added by GoingBatty (talkcontribs) 04:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Steamcenter (talkcontribs) 04:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@Steamcenter: Looking at the Block log, I don't see that the "Steamcenter" user has ever been blocked on the English Wikipedia. Could you please clarify? (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) GoingBatty (talk) 05:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Maybe Steamcenter attempted to edit while logged-out from an IP address that was blocked due to the actions of others. (IP addresses are usually rotated between clients of the same internet service provider.)
While you are not, and never have been, blocked, I notice that some of your edits are not very good. That is OK, we all make mistakes when we start, and nobody really told you about them so you could not have corrected course.
For instance, this edit has multiple problems. First, the justification for trimming the list is based on online search hits, usually not a good justification on Wikipedia; here, I would think that the list selection criterion "everyone who has a Wikipedia page" (one of those listed at WP:CSC) applies here. Second, while trimming, you broke the link pointing to Ashok Malhotra (professor) (and misspelled the name).
Additionally, based on what you disclosed here, I suppose that you are Ashok Malhotra (the professor born in 1950). In that case, you are strongly encouraged not to edit pages about yourself. I note that you edited Ashok Malhotra (professor) but for minor corrections that do not add substantive content; those are fine. On the other hand, the edit I commented previously is more disputable: maybe you applied a fair criterion for trimming the list and it turns out that you are over the threshold, but maybe you chose a criterion that allows you to be kept. The point is that it is impossible to tell from the outside, and even if you think you are doing things fairly, you might be subconsciously biased in your actions. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:44, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Delete my Accounts[edit]

Due to bullying and not hearing me out, I ask that my account GADGET0000 be deleted from this site as this site will not let me create a page. I am not self promoting myself as I have no one who can make a page for me and my works in the Entertainment industry;and my books as an Author. I will be talking about this on my social media pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GADGET0000 (talkcontribs) 05:18, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@GADGET0000: Accounts cannot be deleted, as edits must be attributed to an account. If you wish to stop using Wikipedia, just stop using your account. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:24, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @GADGET0000: Hi there, and sorry you didn't have a good experience on Wikipedia. Per Wikipedia:Username_policy#Deleting_and_merging_accounts, "It is not possible to delete user accounts, as all contributions must be assigned to some identifier; either a username or an IP address." Please note that the encyclopedia articles on Wikipedia must be based on "multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject", per Wikipedia:Notability (people). GoingBatty (talk) 05:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

copyright permission[edit]

How do i submit evidence regarding a copyright issue?

--Timone13 (talk) 11:26, 17 January 2022 (UTC)1/17/2022

You will find useful links at User talk:Timone13#Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Ade Bajomo. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:56, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Why was the page CHIDI CADET NWANYANWU DELETED?[edit]

Why was the page CHIDI CADET NWANYANWU DELETED? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chidinlub (talkcontribs) 11:47, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

There has never been a page with that title (even without all the unnecessary capitals). Your draft User:Chidinlub/Chidi Nwanyanwu is still there, but the history shows very little content, and certainly not any reliable sources to demonstrate the notability of the subject. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:55, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
There used to be Chidi Nwanyanwu which was moved to draftspace and later on deleted as an abandoned draft. Exact reasons can be found on the user talk page. – NJD-DE (talk) 11:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

MLK’s Dream speech[edit]

I was going to make an edit on the I have a dream speech page but it is protected. If you scroll to the bottom it ends in a note with who possesses the original transcript. There is an update from this past August at the following link if somebody does have access to make the edit and notate the source. http://www1.villanova.edu/villanova/president/speeches/message-08272021.html 2601:189:4300:72F0:7941:A46B:5E7C:5490 (talk) 15:38, 17 January 2022 (UTC)Stevie

Good catch and thanks for pointing it out, I added it. You could have asked at Talk:I Have a Dream, but OTOH that page hasn't been edited since 2019. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Where should I put a draft article - in the sandbox?[edit]

Hi! I am brand new to Wikipedia and wanted to do a draft article in the sandbox. I think this may be the wrong place for a draft article. How do I move it to the correct location? Also, how long does a draft article stay in the sandbox? Thank you! Leanne LeoKirk (talk) 20:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, LeoKirk, and welcome to Wikipedia. The common sandbox Sandbox is not a good place to start an article, because it gets cleared regularly. Your own sandbox User:LeoKirk/Sandbox is a good place to start one - if you are on a browser, there will be a link at the top of the screen to your sandbox. Another place (and in my view a preferable one) is in draft space, such as Draft:My article name (these link are red because they don't currently exist). There is no limit on how long a draft may remain in your sandbox or draft space, but if a draft is not edited for six months it may get deleted. your first article has a lot of useful information about creating an article.
However, I would caution: creating an article from scratch is much more difficult than it looks, and editors who try it before they have spent time learning how Wikipedia works often have a frustrating and disappointing time. I would advise you to put this idea aside for a few months while you learn how things work by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles (many of which badly need it!). If you have further questions, you are welcome to come here, but the WP:Teahouse is another similar place which is specifically intended to be a friendly place for new editors to ask questions. --ColinFine (talk) 17:56, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Colin! I hope this gets to you because I did not know how to reply. Thank you very much for your help! Leanne LeoKirk (talk) 20:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict):@LeoKirk: Hi there! Creating a draft at User:LeoKirk/sandbox is perfectly fine. You may move it to Draft:Ruth Eiko Oda by going to the top right of the sandbox and clicking "More" > "Move", entering the new name, and clicking the "Move page" button. When you're ready to submit it for review, you can add {{subst:submit}} to the top. Drafts in your sandbox could stay forever, while drafts starting with "Draft:" are deleted after 6 months of inactivity. Before submitting your draft, I suggest you change each reference from "Clipped From Hawaii Tribune-Herald" to the actual newspaper article title. Also, articles should not have external links, except as references and the "External links" section, so you can convert them or remove them. To notify another editor about your reply, you can use the {{ping}} template, as I've done on this reply to you. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
@LeoKirk: Oops! You've already created Draft:Ruth Eiko Oda, but User:LeoKirk/sandbox has a lot more information. You can copy the text from your sandbox to your draft, continue updating it, and then click the "Submit draft for review!" button when you're ready. GoingBatty (talk) 18:04, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, GoingBatty! I wasn't sure how to use the ping template, so I am typing this in. I hope you receive it. Thank you very much for all of your answers! They are a huge help to me! How do I see where my draft is? How were you able to see what I have created? I am having trouble finding my draft. Thank you! LeoKirk (talk) 20:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

@LeoKirk: I use the {{ping}} template by typing {{ping|LeoKirk}} at the beginning of this line - see Template:Ping for more info. I see what you have created by going to Special:Contributions/LeoKirk. Your draft is at User:LeoKirk/sandbox, and it appears you started Draft:Ruth Eiko Oda as well. GoingBatty (talk) 20:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: Thank you very much, GoingBatty!  You have been very helpful!LeoKirk (talk) 20:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

how to add an article about a person[edit]

I simply wish to know how to submit an article into Wikipedia about a person who isn't included in the Wikipedia, yet. It seems that there are instructions available about how to edit an existing article, but I'm unclear about how to submit an altogether new article. What is the format it is to be written in? How is it to be submitted, and how is it decided whether to include it on the site? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncle Bumps (talkcontribs) 18:14, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Try reading the guidance at WP:Your first article, but ensure that you understand Wikipedia's definition of notability, and particularly WP:NBIO. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:20, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Uncle Bumps Successfully creating a new article is the hardest thing to do on Wikipedia. It is usually recommended that you first gain experience by editing existing articles, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. Using the new user tutorial helps too.
If you still want to create a new article now, please read Your First Article and then go to Articles for creation to create and submit a draft(new users cannot create new articles directly). You should also review the notability guidelines for people. 331dot (talk) 18:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Synching Reading List across various devices[edit]

I have created a profile and pressed the synching button on the mobile app. It appears to confirm that it synched. I open Wikipedia on another mobile device, I sign in and synch, but no folders are displayed in the Reading List. Does anyone have this issue as well? What can be done? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikrod23 (talkcontribs) 18:53, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Mikrod23. According to MW:Wikimedia Apps/Synced Reading Lists, These articles are saved in a flat list (no folders or user metadata), and stored only locally to the device. --ColinFine (talk) 22:38, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Which base map was used for several IE culture maps by Krakkos?[edit]

On the file pages, it doesn't say where the map base image itself was sourced, so I'm thinking it's somewhere on wikicommons but I haven't been able to locate it yet. Examples:

98.14.187.118 (talk) 19:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

How to create my own page[edit]

Do you know how to create my own page? 2601:18C:8B81:B4B0:748D:5881:39E7:8416 (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

You're going to want to read Help:Your first article very carefully; articles should be of encyclopedic value and not promotional/slanderous/what have you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

William Redd[edit]

I was reading the information about Mr. William "Si" Redd. You have him attending East Mississippi Junior College. The correct college is East Central Junior College, located in Decatur Mississippi. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.231.160.236 (talk) 20:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

You can suggest improvements to an article on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:22, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! The LA Times reference states "While attending East Mississippi Junior College in Decatur..." It's possible that the LA Times made a mistake, but you'll need a reliable source when you post on Talk:William Redd. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:43, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Given that East Mississippi Junior (now Community) College is in Scooba, Mississippi, and that (as the OP says) East Central Junior (aka Community) College is in Decatur, Mississipi, it does appear that the LA Times has concatenated the two. Which of them William Redd attended evidently needs a different source. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.195.175.103 (talk) 00:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


January 18[edit]

Question about uploading an image[edit]

Hi Everyone,

About a week ago, i recieved some guidance on uploading an image with an email template, but i realize that the user I am recieving the image from may not be using wikipedia, therefore they wont be able to upload the image themselves.

I wanted to add an image of Vladimir Torchilin to his Wikipedia page, but could not find an image that allowed for free use on the internet. I went on to email him, and he sent me an image of himself to use. How would i go about using this? Do i need anything further from him to allow me to use the image? Thanks, --RealPharmer3 (talk) 01:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

See WP:Donating copyrighted materials. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:05, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
How could we use the image of him, without having him create a wikipedia account and uploading himself? Is there a way he can give me permission to upload it on his behalf? @David Biddulph: --RealPharmer3 (talk) 16:35, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
See WP:Donating copyrighted materials. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Request for someone to review Tiancheng Lou[edit]

Hi. Can someone please review and mark this article? It has managed to be featured as did you know on the front page. Not sure how it is able to be approved for front page viewing but not still not marked down as reviewed.

-Imcdc (talk) 01:56, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Imcdc now done. Did you know and Wikipedia:New pages patrol are separate processes, so either can be done first. TSventon (talk) 14:06, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Leader of Opposition in Lok Sabha (India)[edit]

Discussion that should be taking place on Talk:Leader of the Opposition in Lok Sabha, not here

This user Venkat TL is adding Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury as the Leader of Opposition in Lok Sabha but he is not Leader of Opposition, he is the leader of INC in lok sabha. The post is vacant since 2014 has no party has 10% (55 seats) seats in Lok Sabha expect BJP. No official government website mention him as Leader of opposition in Lok Sabha. [[1]] [[2]] [[3]]

Nitesh003(TALK) 09:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

You are using a site that says it was last updated in 2015. Check the recent secondary sources I have added into the article. [P.S.: You should have started this thread on Talk:Leader of the Opposition in Lok Sabha. --Venkat TL (talk) 09:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Why they should update when there is no leader of opposition. Nitesh003(TALK) 09:54, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Go and ask Modi why he is not updating. Venkat TL (talk) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment with facts.
[[4]] Nitesh003(TALK) 10:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
at least 55 seats are needed to become official opposition party but congress has only 55 seats. Nitesh003(TALK) 10:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Why are you posting old articles. I am not wasting my time in responding here anymore. Go and talk to The Pioneer (India) and fight with them Venkat TL (talk) 10:14, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Is The Pioneer more reliable than Government sources. Nitesh003(TALK) 10:20, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
In comparison to old government site that was not updated since 2015, of course. It is high time that you read and understand the difference between Primary, secondary and tertiary sources. Venkat TL (talk) 10:23, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
"Adhir Ranjan Chowdhury will
remain the Leader of Congress in Lok Sabha" from the above source you provided. Nitesh003(TALK) 10:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge[edit]

Ref number 118 and 125 - (the exact same refs, please do the "double-up" thing if you can) - are from a pdf; is that reasonable? They don't look correct to me , please help. Thank you very much 49.198.41.28 (talk) 10:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

They seem to have been added in your edits. The process to deal with it is at WP:NAMEDREFS. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

How to create my own Wikipedia page?[edit]

I have already logged in and provided all the relevant information about myself in the sandbox of Wikipedia now I want to publish the same in wiki page. Kindly provide me the process to publish the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pushpa Bajaj (talkcontribs) 10:28, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

@Pushpa Bajaj Please read Wikipedia:Autobiography. Venkat TL (talk) 10:39, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Also, your draft is not in English, so doesn't belong in the English Wikipedia, and you have no references to demonstrate the subject's notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:42, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Name Shivaji should be revised to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj[edit]

http://en.turkcewiki.org/wiki/Shivaji

Please revise the name Shivaji to Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj.

Regards, Jeevan Chogale — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.48.216.226 (talk) 11:04, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

No. Please read WP:COMMONNAME Venkat TL (talk) 11:11, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
From a quick look at the references, there could be an argument that "Shivaji Maharaj" is the WP:COMMONNAME - although I suspect "Maharaj" is a honorific suffix in which case MOS:HON applies and it should not be included. (Any editor with any sort of knowledge about Indian honorifics is welcome to correct my guesses.) TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 11:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Navbar question[edit]

could you please tell me how to figure out the template:Navbar? Maybe if possible, could you please provide an example of its usage, or else simply explain what it is used for, and how it is used? I just went to view that template, and clicked "what links here." that took me to alkali metals, but I didn't see any link or transclusion to that template.

I've been here quite a while, so I should probably already know this, but I seem to be having some trouble. I appreciate any help. thanks. Please ping me when you reply. ---Sm8900 (talk) 🌍 12:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

oh wait, I think I get it now. {{navbar}} is simply the three tiny links in the upper-left corner of a template, that provide the links labeled as "V T E," to edit the navbox? So I guess that the only actual template that I would use for this is {{navbox}}? thanks. ---Sm8900 (talk) 🌍 13:05, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
@Sm8900: {{Navbar}} only makes "V T E" or similar links. What to use depends on what you want to do. Most editors never use {{Navbar}} directly but may use {{Navbox}} and other navigation templates which call {{Navbar}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:15, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

New editors[edit]

Hello, can you tell me is there a place for new editors, in a sense that you can go trough some process that follow you all the way? Like, semi automatic editing. I was talking with friend of mine who knows little bit, but he cannot tell me that much. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nox Lumen (talkcontribs) 15:12, 18 January 2022 (UTC) --Nox Lumen (talk) 15:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Nox Lumen. I left a generic welcome message on your talk page, which has some helpful links. In addition to the links in that message, you may be looking for something like The Wikipedia Adventure, which is a sort of gamified tutorial. Let me know if you have questions or are looking for something different. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:22, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
There's also a place for newcomers to ask questions like here at the Help desk located at WP:TEA. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:39, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Information on band's own website is wrong?[edit]

I came across Draft:GAUPA which states that "gaupa" means "lynx" in Swedish. I speak Swedish quite well and had never heard of that word, Swedish for "lynx" is "lodjur". According to Wiktionary, "gaupa" means "lynx" in Icelandic, not Swedish. However, even the band's own website claims "gaupa" means "lynx" in Swedish, which is odd considering they seem to be Swedish themselves and don't understand their own language. Should Wikipedia perpetuate this erroneous information because it's based directly on the source, or mention that it is erroneous? JIP | Talk 15:18, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

@JIP, I'd never heard it either, but lo and behold, according to sv-WP they have a point. I rather like "Kattegöba." Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:38, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
See also "göpa" in Svenska Akademiens ordbok. —Wasell(T) 15:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Can't argue with S. Lagerlöf. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
@JIP: In general, it's possible that two reliable sources disagree with each other. In that case, the article can state something like "While X states this fact,[1] Y states this other fact.[2]" Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:36, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
  • The Swedish Wikipedia article, cited above, states "Folkligt kallades lodjur förr för göpa" which google translate leads me to believe says "People used to call lynx "göpa". Seems cromulent. --Jayron32 16:41, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Reference X
  2. ^ Reference Y

Using images I created from pictures taken of a mural in Mexico[edit]

I have been given 7 days to address issues related to images I used in an article about a mural in Oaxaca City, Mexico. Here is a link to the article. http://en.turkcewiki.org/wiki/Oaxaca_en_la_historia_y_en_el_mito. First question. Can I discuss this here or do I need to connect to folks at Wiki Commons? If I do, I would be grateful if you could provide a link to where I have to go.

If this is the right spot to raise my question, you will see on every image is a 7 day deletion warning. I added some text today to explain my right to use the images. Is that sufficient. The artist died a few years ago and I am in touch with his daughter. If I need to get some sort of permission from her, please tell me what it is.

Thanks for your consideration ArbyBB (talk) 15:35, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

You should probably go to the Commons Help Desk. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 15:37, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Nonsense[edit]

Our article The source
... a historical shaman priestess who became one of the most important Fujian goddesses and chief deity of the Lüshan Sect ... one of the most important goddesses in Southeast China (the chief deity of the Lushan sect).... A historical shaman priestess who became ...

can be copyright violation? "blah blad is a actor and one of the successful actors in Indian Cinema or chair of the Hindi Film Org" also copyrighted ? For further information User talk:VocalIndia#Speedy deletion of Chen Jinggu VocalIndia (talk) 16:35, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

VocalIndia, referring an argument to a different page can be helpful, though I think Copyright problems would be a better place than the Help desk. Copying just one side of an argument to a different page is FORUMSHOPPING, and is unhelpful and disruptive. Either take it to Copyright problems (being careful not to present it in a one-sided manner), or else follow the procedures in WP:dispute resolution. --ColinFine (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

please remove my photo![edit]

http://en.turkcewiki.org/wiki/The_Smiths Please can you remove my photograph of the Smiths as I'm finding people think they can use it free! I shot the Smiths at the Salford Lads club in 1985 see my website www.smithsphotos.com

many thanks Stephen Wright

S — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.151.17.30 (talk) 16:48, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

It looks like that image is tagged as fair use. Please go here http://en.turkcewiki.org/wiki/File:SmithsPromoPhoto_TQID_1985.jpg and review the fair use info. If you still think it is not fair use you can email [email protected]. Naleksuh (talk) 16:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia "fair use" is not well understood by a lot of people, many of whom seem to take a very relaxed attitude toward obeying copyright law in any case. As with any other image on the Internet, a person should not copy the image unless first determining its copyright status. Wikipedia's "fair use" criteria are very stringent, and when we use such an image in Wikipedia, we try very hard to make sure we are complying with the law. We do not assert that our fair use somehow applies to other users of the material, in fact, quite the opposite: we assert that it does not provide a fair use rationale for any use outside of Wikipedia. I am not a lawyer. I suggest you contact a lawyer about using the provisions of the DMCA, specifically the use of "takedown notices", to force non-Wikipedia sites to take down those images. -Arch dude (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
I have a minor nitpick, Arch dude. "Fair use" is a concept from US law and jurisprudence that applies to any site, Wikipedia or not, with the same criteria. Wikipedia does have an "advantage" over other websites: legal analysis of a fair use claim starts (cf. Fair use#U.S. fair use factors) with a "purpose and character of the use" prong which a Wikipedia article will almost always pass and a post on social media will very often fail.
In addition to that, the English Wikipedia does have additional criteria for use which restrict further than fair use would allow, both to create a legal safety margin (e.g. low-resolution images are less likely to fail the prongs of "substantial portion use" and "effect on potential market") and to discourage the use of non-free works (because free licenses are good yada yada - for instance the "no non-free photograph of a living person" rule is entirely disconnected from legal concerns). In other language Wikipedias, they disallow fair use entirely and require a free license. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 10:14, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
I can snip a version of that photo from Smiths' website that gives me a 55 kb image with more of the background visible. So I'm not sure how deleting Wikipedia's "fair use" image would help avoid piracy by third parties. The image in the article here is only 17 kb. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
@Tigraan: I agree with you, and I thought that I said what you said, but to restate: Our "fair use" rationale applies to our use of the image on Wikipedia. If another site chooses to assert "fair use" for their use of the same image, then that site will need a "fair use" rationale that applies specifically to their site. They might choose to copy the wording of our rationale, but it is entirely the responsibility of each separate site to ensure that whatever the wording they use, it applies to the way they use the image on their site and their rationale must appear on their site. -Arch dude (talk) 18:57, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

reporting a person/company trying to charge for help[edit]

I got this today (i've already created my page which is live)

Anna Harrison <[email protected]> 10:23 AM (1 hour ago) to me

Hi Christine, I hope this email finds you well.

We have received an online inquiry that you are looking to create a Wikipedia page, below is the process we follow for the creation of a Wikipedia page:

Once you're done signing up with us, we would send you a brief form to fill in which there will be certain questions asked based on your personal or company profile.

Once we take on the subject, we assign a research team who conducts full in-depth research into your online presence, of course, you're also welcome to send us articles, information, or general guidance if you like. Once all research is conducted we then move on to inputting that information into a draft with Wikipedia's guidelines and the writing style guide, then we send you a draft for your comments and approval before moving forward with publishing the entry on Wikipedia.

The standard timeline is between 60-90 days.

We'll provide you with the 100% ownership rights of the page so that you can, later on, add more as per your needs and requirements.

Our package ranges from $699-$1999 depending on what your requirements are.

Please find the details of the packages below:

Wikipedia Legend Standard Plan: Cost: $699.00 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikkipoy (talkcontribs) 17:33, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nikkipoy: Per WP:SCAM, "If someone contacts you with such an offer, please send a copy of the email, including headers, to paid-en-wp@wikimedia.org." Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 17:54, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Also, help is free here on Wikipedia. No one can make you pay for help. Also, you can't pay to make an article. If the subject of your article is not notable then no amount of money will make it into an article. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:08, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Luckily it appears your article has been accepted so the email wouldn't be of much use to you anyways. Also, per WP:OWN, no one owns any page/article on Wikipedia. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:09, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
The claim "We'll provide you with the 100% ownership rights of the page so that you can, later on, add more as per your needs and requirements." is an outright lie. The company can't provide "100% ownership rights" to any page as the concept of "ownership rights" does not exist on Wikipedia. On Wikipedia, no one "owns" any page or is in any sort of authority position over it. The company cannot stop other Wikipedia editors from editing the page they have created. In short, the message the company sent is a lie. JIP | Talk 18:49, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Ssentongo Haruna[edit]

Formerly Protect page

How do I protect my user page my account has been blocked and edited by Ndj-de and other users they abuse and delete my information I believe Wikipedia is not for pay they want me to pay them they keep hacking my account and abuse people and late they say it's me abusing How ever much am a new user please be considerate of this they even blocked my friends account Ssentongo Haruna And they removed him from the ugandans net worth list Ssentongo haruna has a net worth of 420usd he has a right to be on that list {{cite|web http://www.watchdoguganda.com/business/20210312/110284/entreprising-sentongo-haruna-builds-empire-worth-usd420m-brick-by-brick.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kareninaq mine (talkcontribs) 18:25, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kareninaq mine: Your Wikipedia account has never been blocked, and only your user talk page has been edited by one person. I assume you have questions about List of Ugandans by net worth, which has been semiprotected, preventing unregistered and new accounts from directly editing the page.
Unless your user page has been the subject of vandalism or something similar, requests for protection are unlikely to be granted.
Taking a further look at the article's history this appears to be sockpuppetry at work, and may involve the blocked user Sentongo Haruna. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:32, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


Halo am requesting unblock of Ssentongo Haruna account was blocked globally He did not abuse any Njd-de , Drm310 and pahunkat keep distributing his account please protect it and allow him login into again Add him to the list of ugandans with net worth again thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kareninaq mine (talkcontribs) 18:59, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Izaaqnewton refers. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Image-use question[edit]

Would I be able to use this image under the "Public domain" copyright information option? It was uploaded by http://www.e-nebraskahistory.org/, an "Official Nebraska Government Website". Seasider53 (talk) 18:52, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

@Seasider53: I believe no. First off all, its better to ask These questions at WP:MCQ, since that is where the experts are. However, I currently don't see a reason why this should be PD. {{PD-US-Gov}} only applies to works created by federal government employees in their duties as such(I see no evidence of this being the case here), it's a file from 1986 (so far from being public domain due to age) and last but not least the film's right usage terms seem to have non-commercial and no-derivate restrictions. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 21:27, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Rules of Doxxing[edit]

Hi guys

Could anyone let me know how wikipedia deals with doxxing? Content on a wikipedia article is abetting in doxxing, which has been escalated to newsworthy stories in my country.

I have made my case for offending content to be removed but some very passionate users are insisting that the content is both relevant for some reason and not a breach of privacy.

Thank you. Declanhx (talk) 19:07, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

The rules about doxxing are at WP:DOXXING. However, if your issue is with who owns Killichassie, I think the source for the claims are two published biographies of its owner - this information is in the public domain, it's not private information that we need to keep secret. An exceedingly notable person owning and living in a reasonably notable building seems worth mentioning in the article about the building, no? Girth Summit (blether) 19:13, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
Holy crap. The people you are edit warring with about this are two site Administrators, whom of whom is an oversighter. You will struggle to find anyone who knows more about our rules on doxxing - listen to what they are telling you on the article talk page. Girth Summit (blether) 19:17, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
User has been full blocked for editwarrring. (Changed from a partial block) ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:57, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
1) Declan has been blocked before for edit-warring.
2) I think the Streisand effect is also in danger of kicking in, if it hasn't already. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:02, 18 January 2022 (UTC)


January 19[edit]

Search all of Wikipedia[edit]

The box in the upper right says "Search Wikipedia", but it only searches the English Language Wikipedia. Is there a place that I can search all of Wikipedia (all of the language wikipedias at least). I guess I can go to google, but I like having the more advanced features...Naraht (talk) 01:34, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

I don't think so. The search box at http://www.wikipedia.org/ lets you pick any language, but "all" doesn't seem to be an option. RudolfRed (talk) 02:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
You can use Wikidata. Zoozaz1 (talk) 02:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
That is apparently only searching Wikidata, not Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:12, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
The best way to do that is probably Google. Search for "[term] site:wikipedia.org". Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 03:08, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library and ... a block?[edit]

So I received a notice that I can access the super neato sounding Wikipedia Library. When I tried it says I have a block. I've been editing Wikipedia for many, many years and have no idea what that is about. Almost all of my edits are on the English Wikipedia, with some visual content added to WikiCommons. Other than that, iirc, I've made a few edits to the Spanish and German language Wikis. Literally none of them, as far as I can see anywhere, mentions a block of any kind. Ditto my entire talk page on English Wikipedia. I'd love to use this resource for helping with articles, but I don't know what is the cause for the hiccup. Any help would be most gratefully accepted. Thank you. --Surv1v4l1st Talk|Contribs 03:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

You were blocked on the Indonesian Wikipedia for having an unacceptable username (despite having made zero edits there). * Pppery * it has begun... 03:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
@Surv1v4l1st: Special:CentralAuth/Surv1v4l1st shows a block at id.wikipedia.org (Indonesian Wikipedia) where you have no edits. Your account was created automatically, probably because you viewed a page while logged in. Google Translate says "Invalid username: please change". Google Translate on the linked page says: "Also, watch out for the uppercase i , the lowercase L , and the number 1 , which can look the same (I/l/1) in some fonts . Another example is the letter O and the number 0 (O/o/0) . The use of letters that can be misleading is highly discouraged, given the abuse that has occurred in the past." There is a User:Survivalist but they have no account at idwiki so you cannot be claimed to impersonate them there. It seems very unreasonable to disallow access for you. When originally reading the no-block rule, I did think it would hit some users unfairly. I don't know whether you have other options than to request an unblock at idwiki. They have id:Template:Unblock. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:58, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
It is possible for Wikipedia library staff to override the "not blocked" requirement, but I'm not sure what the process for requesting that is. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Choosing English at Special:GlobalPreferences or id:Special:Preferences may help you navigate the site if you request unblocking. You can edit your own talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
http://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/about/ says: "If your account is blocked on one or more Wikimedia projects, you may still be granted access to The Wikipedia Library. You will need to contact the Wikipedia Library team, who will review your blocks." The bottom has a contact link to http://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/contact/. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:13, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Many thanks for the research on this one. I would have not guessed it was the Indonesian language Wiki. I've never edited there, nor have any knowledge of the language. I will try to figure out how to request an unblock there, but will admit navigating that site may be difficult. I did also email Wikipedia Library, but haven't heard back as of yet. Anyway, thanks again for the assistance; I greatly appreciate it. Now to find the way forward.--Surv1v4l1st Talk|Contribs 04:19, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
OK, I think (after some futzing about) got the unblock request done on the Indonesian side. As mentioned before, request has been submitted to the Library. Thanks again. :) --Surv1v4l1st Talk|Contribs 04:31, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Difference from Teahouse[edit]

What is the difference between this and the Teahouse? It seems like the same concept. Philosophy2 (talk) 05:55, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

@Philosophy2: not much difference. The Teahouse is meant to be a particularly non-threatening place where brand new people can ask very basic questions without being judged. But in practice, they are pretty much interchangeable.--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:02, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
@Philosophy2: The Help Desk is meant for anyone to request assistance or ask a question. The Teahouse is intended for new and/or inexperienced users to do the same, as Gronk Oz suggests, in a friendlier atmosphere geared towards them. 331dot (talk) 11:23, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
@Philosophy2: Generally, the tone at the Tea House is more gentle and forgiving, taking everyone's word that they are naive innocents who need special care and counsel in a quiet, non-judgmental atmosphere intended to nurture and advance the new user. The Help Desk is positioned as a blunter, more skeptical audience of brusque but highly competent tech support types who diagnose your troubles and send you on your way. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:28, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
I had to look up what "brusque" meant on Wikitionary. I learned a new word today, thank you.Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 17:50, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

RTL punctuation[edit]

At Dona, Dona#Lyrics, the punctuation of the Yiddish original appears before each line, at least on my computer using Google Chrome. Does that look the same for others? If so, how can it be fixed? ◅ Sebastian 09:40, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Sebastian. You can just edit it to move the punctuation: I've done so for the first verse. --ColinFine (talk) 12:04, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Search icon[edit]

Im having problems based on the search icon or button, i can't search whats in my interest or even type what i need to search what could be the reaaon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A03:2880:31FF:5:0:0:FACE:B00C (talk) 11:46, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Since as far as I know nobody else has reported this problem, it is probably in your browser. The best place to ask about technical problems is WP:VPT; but it is unlikely that anybody can help you if you don't specify the problem more: what system are you on? What app or browser are you running? What are you doing or trying to do, and what result do you see? --ColinFine (talk) 12:11, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi there! Do you still experience the problem after you turn off your device and turn it back on again? GoingBatty (talk) 15:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Edits to your entry on Patrick Poivre d'Arvor[edit]

Dear Sir or Madam,

I write to ask for you to edit the entry on Patrick Poivre d'Arvor: http://en.turkcewiki.org/wiki/Patrick_Poivre_d%27Arvor You ought to include a major sexual assault controversy, in his page.

(You have already done so for example on the page of Nicolas Hulot, similarly embroiled in a sexual assault controversy with numerous accusations http://en.turkcewiki.org/wiki/Nicolas_Hulot - and I thank you for that.)

Patrick Poivre d'Arvor is the target of complaints for rape and sexual assault or sexual harassment. In total, 27 women have denounced sexual violence by the former presenter of TF1. Two of these women were minors at the time of the alleged facts. Eleven have filed complaints.

Best regards,

Etelle Higonnet

Hullo, friend. You may be able to attempt this edit yourself, as long as you can back it up with reliable sources. You can also submit an edit request here if you would like. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 15:54, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Error in Talk:Galton Board?[edit]

Is there something wrong with Talk:Galton Board?

If I view it in the Wikipedia App (on my Galaxy Tablet), there are 11 headings, but "Three dimensional bean machine", "Why a rectangle of pegs?" and "Probabilities of 1000 runs of the machine" show the same contents as "But how does it work?"

But if I choose "View article in browser" and then change to the Talk page, those three headings don't appear at all ... BUT two of them appear under the "Bean machine, bean made wrong?" heading, under an "Extended content" banner - some sort of formatting error? 194.193.168.77 (talk) 16:06, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

In desktop view it looks fine. The app and mobile browser may be getting confused by {{Collapse top}} hidden content. RudolfRed (talk) 18:03, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

To wall of shame, or to not wall of shame[edit]

(Apologies for the shakespeare reference in the header, I Couldn't help myself) Hello! So I recently encountered an IP who is currently block for disruptive editing and the IP removed their most recent warning and block message. I know this is technically ok per WP:NOTWALLOFSHAME, however the IP is also blocked. So what should I do in this case? Revert the edit and request their tpa revoked, or just leave it? ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 18:49, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Leave it. They are allowed to remove it. RudolfRed (talk) 18:55, 19 January 2022 (UTC)
Alright sounds good. Wasn't sure if it would still apply if they were blocked. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 19:00, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Removing redirects from a category[edit]

I want to remove the entries "Would you like a Jelly Baby?" and "You can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, or you can call me..." from the category "1970s neologisms", since they are technically catchphrases and not neologisms, but there does not seem to be a way to that since the pages they redirect to are not listed under that category. Kotterdale99 (talk) 19:30, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

So, maybe there's a better way to do this, but here's the cheap trick I use to edit a redirect: Taking your first example, type it in to the search bar. You'll be redirected to the page on the fourth Doctor, but at the top of the page it will say "(Redirected from Would you like a Jelly Baby?)", and there will be a link in there that will take you to the redirect itself and allow you to edit it in the normal fashion. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:36, 19 January 2022 (UTC)