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Mary Tyler Moore Show[edit]

The episodes list was approaching 100,000 bytes which is WP:TOOLONG. Thus the need to carve out season 1 into a separate article. Cbl62 (talk) 00:22, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's a simple list of episodes. It's fine. Gonnym (talk) 00:23, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:TOOLONG,> 60 kB Probably should be divided (although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading material) and > 100 kB Almost certainly should be divided. As expansion continues on other seasons, it is unwieldy to include in one gigantic list. Cbl62 (talk) 00:25, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You have reverted for a second time rather than follow WP:BRD. Care to discuss? The main list is already approaching 100,000 characters. As seasons 2 through 7 are expanded, this will approach 200,000 characters. Why do you think it is appropriate to disregard WP:TOOLONG? Cbl62 (talk) 00:28, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I also plan to expand the Season 1 article with additional information that goes beyond "a simple list of episodes". Your reverting is thwarting efforts to improve the encyclopedia. Cbl62 (talk) 00:29, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am following BRD. You were bold, I reverted. You don't get to continue with your edit and cite BRD. The readable prose size is around 1k with 1,161 characters. That is not a reason to split the article. If you think I'm wrong, go to the TV project page and ask others, but stop forcing your way. Gonnym (talk) 00:30, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your concept of BRD is backwards by the way. Cbl62 (talk) 00:39, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you plan to add additional information, work on it in the draft space as I said. If the additions are a basic cast list or copied information from the series article, then those aren't by themselves useful or needed. See good season articles before doing this. Gonnym (talk) 00:32, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is no requirement use draft space. The first season of MTM is one of the most important in television history (breakthrough subject and eight Emmy nominations). I've been at this for 15 years and know a little bit about how Wikipedia works. My plan is was to add information about the production, Emmy nominations, etc. Your repeated reverts are impeding those efforts. Please stop. Cbl62 (talk) 00:36, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's regrettable when users adopt a narrow view of how things should be and block efforts to improve the encyclopedia when their "turf" is invaded. I was prepared to devote extensive effort to creating a first-rate article on the historic first season of MTM. But I really don't need the hassle of fighting "turf wars" with people who want to prevent improvements. I'll just turn my efforts in another direction. Thanks for inhibiting an effort to improve the encyclopedia! Cbl62 (talk) 00:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Digging a little deeper, I expected to find some overall scheme of which I ran afoul. However, I instead found that we have scores and scores of instances where we have overall episode lists and season articles of far lower quality -- and on far less important television programming. E.g., Hawaii Five-O (1968 TV series, season 11), Barney Miller (season 2), The Rockford Files (season 6), Quincy, M.E. (season 3), Lou Grant (season 4), and on and on. Hoping this search would help me to understand your revert, it has done the opposite. I am now completely dumbfounded at your actions. Cbl62 (talk) 01:17, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Survivor: Cook Islands[edit]

This article has passed a Good Article review, the weird edit wars that popped up as the GAN concluded notwithstanding. If the editing chaos doesn't settle down, or you feel that the GAN review was incorrect, feel free to start a Good Article Reassessment of the article. Until a GAR closes with the conclusion that the article should be delisted, however, it is a Good Article, and it gets to have the icon at the top. You could always just roll the article back to the version after Legobot added the icon, if you think all the changes since it passed have been for the worse? -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 01:14, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry but this is a clear case were WP:COMMONSENSE and a dash of WP:IAR apply. The article was reverted right away to everything before the GA and as such is not a GA. Gonnym (talk) 08:12, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then unrevert it to the state it was in when it passed at GAN, or run it at GAR. There is a process for deciding whether or not an article is a Good Article, and this one has gone through that process; it isn't up to you to unilaterally decide this. Would you like me to put it up at GAR for you? -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 19:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You could if you want to. Gonnym (talk) 21:38, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2022 February 28#Template:Afd footer (multiple)[edit]

I came across a redlink at WP:Articles for deletion#How to nominate a single page for deletion for multi-page deletion nomination procedure that leads to Template:Afd footer which leads to Template:AfD in 3 steps where Template:Afd footer (multiple) is linked. (I can see how you missed that!). I'd guess that in WP:AFD it should just link to further down - but I've never dealt with the multi-page deletion procedure, and seldom edit templates, so I'm hesitant to do an edit. Nfitz (talk) 15:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this message, I didn't even see this! The template could either be restored, or its instruction merged into the template. TfD has single and multiple in the same sections. Gonnym (talk) 17:26, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template categories should not be in content categories[edit]

Thank you for working on creating categories for rail transport templates. Per WP:CAT#T guideline, content categories should not be used for categorizing templates, like you did recently in Category:Indian Railways templates. Categorization of templates is done via administrative categories only. Please consider putting wikilinks to related content categories on the template category page instead, for example, in form of a hatnote or in |topic=. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:50, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]


What happened to the use of all the character set templates, like Template:chset-cell4 et el, in the code page articles (EBCDIC 37, ISO 8859-1, etc.)? Looks like everything got changed sometime around 2022-01-04. Was all of that work wiped out? I see a few draft pages (Draft:EBCDIC 037), so is the intent to replace Template:chset-xxx templates with new Template:Character set xxx templates? — Loadmaster (talk) 16:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No idea. You can ask whomever changed that table design. Gonnym (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I added a comment to the Talk:ISO/IEC_8859-1 page. I doubt it will change anything, though. Too bad. — Loadmaster (talk) 17:04, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And BTW, it was Spitzak who began the push for the changes. — Loadmaster (talk) 17:12, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Desperate Housewives[edit]

FYI, I've gone through and redirected most of the episode articles. They were horrendous. I realized about halfway through there were some R cats and such that exist, so my edits didn't tag them, which might need to still happen. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:33, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good work! I did the season 1 episodes a while ago but didn't continue as it was just too many. Gonnym (talk) 19:31, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As soon as you linked to it in the Notability discussion, I knew I couldn't just let them stay. That boggles me that that was how editors made pages (mostly years ago), and they somehow have stuck. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:03, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Module:Sports table tracking categories[edit]

Hello, I noticed recently a lot of templates using Module:Sports table are displaying warnings in the edit window for possibly ignored parameters, and have been added to the category Category:Pages using sports table with possibly ignored parameters. For example see Template:2021–22 UEFA Champions League group tables, where the tables are formatted correctly. I am assuming this came as a result of your recent edit here, is there any way these errors could be removed from the aforementioned example, where there are no ignored parameters? Thanks, S.A. Julio (talk) 16:26, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure that they weren't there before? I've checked Template:2018–19 UEFA Women's Champions League group tables with this reversion and the category appears there. Gonnym (talk) 22:58, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I am not entirely sure regarding the hidden category, but I edit such tables quite frequently, and have only noticed the warnings in the edit window quite recently. S.A. Julio (talk) 23:54, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I think I found the issue. Let me know if it fixed it. Gonnym (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your recent category move[edit]

Hello Gonnym,

You filed a speedy category renaming request recently on Category:Bande dessinée. I don't mind renaming from Franco-Belgian comics, but shouldn't the category name be Category:Bande dessinées instead? That was actually where there was consensus to move to in the RM (in the same way we have European comics not "European comic"), and someone just moved it again out of process afterward to the singular version. Didn't really care enough to contest the article move, but categories should definitely be plural by default, right? i.e. Category:French novels, not Category:French novel. Any objection if I take this back to speedy? (For all that it seems to indicate that pluralization isn't speedy worthy... sigh... maybe they'll make an exception for recently moved categories.) SnowFire (talk) 11:45, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't speak French so I didn't even notice that was a singular/plural situation. You are correct that it should be plural if it is a descriptive name like the previous "Franco-Belgian comics". Gonnym (talk) 11:51, 11 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

TFD for Template:WikiProject Nigeria/Lagos[edit]

Hello Gonnym, Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Eruditescholar (talk) 21:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox assembly[edit]

Hey, Gonnym,

I hope you are well. I just wanted to ask you, when you tag a page for any type of deletion (CSD, PROD, AFD/TFD/RFD/etc.), please post a notification on the talk page of the page creator. I see that you already use Twinkle so there might be a problem with your Twinkle Preferences. Make sure that "Notify page creator" box is checked off and that EVERY CSD criteria box is checked off in the CSD section of the Preferences. I think the default is to only have a few CSD criteria checked when it really doesn't matter what the deletion reason is, the page creator should still be notified. I come to you regarding this particular one because a different editor "blanked" the page rather than the page creator so, as far as I can tell, they don't even know there is a problem with this template since the editor who blanked the page didn't notify them of there being a problem.

Thanks for all of your contributions with templates and categories, I seem to run into your handiwork every day! Many thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 06:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Big Brother (Swedish television series)[edit]

Why did you add abbreviation for television? There is no reason for it. Eurohunter (talk) 09:47, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The article is at Big Brother (Swedish TV series) and not at Big Brother (Swedish television series). See WP:NCTV. Gonnym (talk) 09:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]