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Accessibility and discography articles[edit]

Can someone take a look at Lecrae discography and see where it fails the Accessibility policy? This list is typical of discography articles. There were some previous discussions, and I've looked at the guidance for data tables, and I'm still not sure of what is within policy and what is not, and how to fix any violations.

Thanks, --3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:39, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

I made a couple of edits to demonstrate increased accessibility [1] and [2], though I am not sure how much is required per se by the guidance. Comments on each:
  • The scopes were generally good. I added a 'colgroup' which is approved scope for use when there are subcolumn headers.
  • Avoid use of small text (especially the small element in most cases) and arbitrary widths. The former prevents users with bad eyesight from reading and the latter prevents users with varying screens from getting the most out of the table.
  • Avoid the list as they were--each of those corresponded to a facet of the title, and you provided them as if they were data--so add a column for each. This isn't strictly necessary but it does enable table simplification and a more 'data' table rather than a 'table used for structure'.
  • Provide keys at the beginning of the table rather than later. That makes it obvious to a reader what is going on.
  • Likewise remove the note to either before or after the table. This enables a simple table and reduces confusion for an unsighted reader when he gets to that row.
An additional change for the longer table now would be to add the sortable class so a reader with full capabilities can sort on each column if he desires. --Izno (talk) 22:58, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Thank you! I will try to work on anything which you did not already do. Can you please explain #3, "Avoid the list as they were"?--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:50, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Uh, trying to say that, because you covered the same content in each of the lists, and each of the lists corresponded to a title, that what you were trying to do was add some more data to the table--for which a table cell for each list item is generally the best. Why else use a table? :) --Izno (talk) 03:30, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
Okay, yes, and I think I ended up doing this anyway. Take a look at where I'm at so far and see if this looks right, if you like.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 04:33, 8 August 2019 (UTC)
The tables are a bit inconsistent from the stuff up top down to the stuff toward the bottom with e.g. the styling on the first cell--I think you just forgot to convert those to use exclamation points? The other thing that needs changing is the far right column on the lower tables; you shouldn't use rowspans like that. --Izno (talk) 05:31, 10 August 2019 (UTC)
Izno, yes, I didn't use the exclamation points. Regarding rowspan, do you mean the entries in the "Album" column?--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes. --Izno (talk) 12:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:26, 20 August 2019 (UTC)
Izno, anything else outstanding now?--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 03:39, 22 August 2019 (UTC)
@Izno:, do my edits help solve the accessibility issues? – The Grid (talk) 15:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC) (Pinging 3family6)
Those edits did precisely the opposite. --Izno (talk) 15:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm a bit confused. I believe this was asked as part of a peer review, I don't see acknowledgement that the version before my edits solved the accessibility issues. I'm reviewing WP:DTT just because I was brought to this discography page as an example of addressing accessibility issues for discographies in general. – The Grid (talk) 15:44, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
@The Grid: There's no need to be confused. MOS:DTT lays out quite well what is good practice for improving the accessibility of data tables. When you remove ! scope="row" from the row header cells, you make life more difficult for some visitors who use screen readers to navigate around the table. Please don't do it. --RexxS (talk) 16:03, 26 November 2019 (UTC)

Diagonal split color box[edit]

Discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility#Diagonal_split_color_box AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:50, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Inconsistent spacing between bars in a television ratings graph[edit]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of American Horror Story episodes#Graph . Radiphus (talk) 12:45, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Video on the main page[edit]

Please make your views known, on Wikipedia talk:In the news#Should animation and video, anywhere on the Main Page, be automatic, optional or prohibited?. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:48, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:Db-meta#Green on red[edit]

 You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Db-meta#Green on red. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:00, 17 February 2020 (UTC)