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Is Wikipedia misleading its readers?[edit]

I am a frequent Wikipedia reader who occasionally edits, and for the past few weeks I’ve seen messages asking for donations. I don’t donate for certain reasons (though I will consider donating later on), but today, I saw a message that said "To all our readers in India, It might be awkward, but please don't scroll past this. This Sunday, for the 1st time recently, we humbly ask you to defend Wikipedia's independence. 98% of our readers don't give; they simply look the other way. If you are an exceptional reader who has already donated, we sincerely thank you. If you donate just ₹ 150, Wikipedia could keep thriving for years. Most people donate because Wikipedia is useful. If Wikipedia has given you ₹ 150 worth of knowledge this year, take a minute to donate. Show the volunteers who bring you reliable, neutral information that their work matters. Thank you."

Is Wikipedia deliberately misleading its Indian readers by saying that this is the first time it has asked Indians for donations?

And one more thing which I think the Wikimedia staff should be aware of (I don’t know where to inform them): there is currently a social media campaign against Wikipedia being orchestrated by conservatives in India as per this (talk) 06:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I parse the awkwardly-worded statement as saying that it is the first time recently that they ask. I believe the banner campaign happens for a month or so, once a year, so the last time would be 11 months ago – not recent by most standards. Regardless, if the banners bother you, the easiest solution is to register an account and log in with it. Then, once you dismiss the banner, you will not see it again (as long as you remain logged in, which you have to do once a year I think). You can contact the WMF with any issues you have regarding fundraising at WP:DONATE. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:07, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia has been asking me to donate for about one month so far, so I don’t understand why they say for the 1st time recently now only instead of a few weeks back. That’s my point. (talk) 07:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I see your point, but as an anonymous IP editor, it does not know if you have been shown the ad before. Do tell them about it if you like, though, as suggested above. Participants here have nothing to do with WMF fundraising. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:36, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
You can disable banner messages if you have an account. As noted, there is no way to know if an IP user has been shown a message before, as IPs can be used by multiple people. 331dot (talk) 10:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
@331dot: FWIW, I emailed WMF donations about this recurring issue, which they say is related to "... browsers have recently changed how they respond to 'cross-site' cookies, and no longer allow us to suppress donation request banners in the same way that [they] have in previous years." They are working on a solution to at least suppress them for those who donate. They do say that dismissing the banner (even as an IP) will hide it for one week (which was news to me). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:16, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the information. 331dot (talk) 22:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)



Hi All, Need some help, please! I've added factual content to a persons page, which reads like an advert. It keeps being taken down even though it is fact and now I'm being threatened to be blocked as a contributor.

Teddy McDonald, previously referred to as the artist Teddy M, was made bankrupt in the High Court on 4th February 2020 for not paying debts

Why is this being contested?

Thank you! Justright89199 (talk) 19:33, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Please see your user talk page and WP:BLP. 331dot (talk) 19:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Here's a reference, which might help: (Redacted) Maproom (talk) 22:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
The content that Justright89199 wants to add (and keeps re-adding) is the subject's address. Wikipedia does not allow the posting of that kind of personal information. Not even if it has been previously published elsewhere. In my opinion that policy would also prohibit posting the link that shows their address. "Factual content" about the subject's bankruptcy can be sourced in other ways. I have explained this clearly to Justright in several places. -- MelanieN (talk) 14:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Misuse of Photo[edit]

Hi there,

My name is Kelly McCormack and my wikipedia page is here:

on June 10th a photo was put up on my page that was taken from my facebook page. It was a photo that my sister took with my phone, and I own the rights to it, and I would like it taken down. The person who posted this photo does not own the rights. As you can see, it was not taken professionally, and very obviously taken with a phone - which was mine. If you would like proof of my identity, I can provide that, but I would like to have this photo removed.

thank you! Kelly 2001:569:7CFC:A000:E1BE:8701:E4D0:4BFA (talk) 19:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy- at Kelly McCormack, Kim Leung claims to have taken that photo at a 2017 event. David notMD (talk) 19:58, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello Kelly. I would advise against editing your Wikipedia page because you have a conflict of interest. You will need an edit request on the article talk page stating that you would like to delete the image. You can use the {{request edit}} template to add it to the queue of new requests. I hope this helps. Interstellarity (talk) 20:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Kelly is not asking to add a photo, but rather to delete a photo. The editor who added it in June - Kim Leung - has a previous history of adding a photo to this article without having copyright to that photo. David notMD (talk) 20:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I have edited my comment to accurately answer her question. Interstellarity (talk) 20:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I would also suggest, Kelly, that you register an account and email [email protected] for instructions on establishing that the account as actually that of the subject of the article Kelly McCormack. And of course declare your conflict of interest with regard to that article. I have noted at commons that there is a challenge to the rights on this image. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
DESiegel I have been told that OTRS verification of identity is only done in cases of the user being blocked. 331dot (talk) 21:12, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
That was not my understanding, 331dot, but I could been mistaken. Neither Wikipedia:Contact us/Article subjects nor Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team explicitly says one way or the other. The latter does say Volunteers may provide more active assistance for defamation and privacy issues and for requests from the subjects of articles. It is hard to know whether thge above request is valid or not without a verified identity. And while the OP could create User:Kelly McCormack get blocked, and then request unblock after communicating with OTRS, that seems a pointless hoop to jumop through. I'm not on the OTRS team, so I am not sure of the proper course to follow. Perhaps Sphilbrick who is on that team could advise. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
DESiegel, I've been interested in the issue of confirmation of identity primarily because most such inquiries at OTRS are not solving the right problem, but it has been frustrating to get people on the same page.
This may turn out to be an example of addressing the wrong problem. The person claiming to be Kelly McCormack wants to know how to prove her identity on the assumption that this would aid in the removal of the photo. That man may not be true; it isn't obvious that it will help, and it is harder to do than Kelly might realize. Many people assume, understandably, that they can provide a photocopy of a license or passport but OTRS policy is not to accept such documents, which makes confirmation of identity challenging in some cases. In this particular case, I trust that Kelly agrees the real issue is the removal of the photo, and if that happens she may not care whether anyone confirms her identity or not.
The real issue is whether the person claiming copyright of the photo is accurately asserting copyright. If the answer is no, it doesn't matter whether the person claiming to be Kelly McCormick is Kelly McCormick or someone else.
I used to be an active participant in permissions but I'm less involved because frankly it's exhausting. I note that the photo does not have EXIF data displayed, which is a potential red flag. Not having this information could be (but not necessarily) a sign that the image was extracted from someplace else as opposed to a personal photograph. While it is acceptable to take a photo which has EXIF information, and post a cropped or modified version without the EXIF information, it is not uncommon in such situations that we request that the person claiming to be the copyright holder provide the underlying photo with the EXIF to prove that they are in possession of it. There are many people active in OTRS that have far deeper knowledge of these details than I have, but it might make sense to make that request of the person claiming copyright. If in fact they cropped it from Facebook page they are unlikely to be able to satisfy the request. If in fact they took the photo and an event as they claimed they should be able to provide it. In other words, the claim to copyright might be settled without jumping through the hoops for proof of identity. S Philbrick(Talk) 21:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Remark addressed to Kelly McCormack: if your sister took a photo using your phone, then she, not you, owns the copyright to the photo, and can legally donate it to Wikipedia. That's how copyright law works. None of us can change that.
Question addressed to Kelly McCormack: do you believe the person using the name "Kim Leung" is your sister? If they aren't, if for instance "Kim Leung" merely copied it from your Facebook page and uploaded it to Wikipedia claiming it as her own work (sadly, that kind of thing often happens), then that picture is not acceptable here and should be deleted. Maproom (talk) 22:28, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Maproom is exactly right and I'm sorry I missed that point. If your sister took the photo then she's the initial copyright holder even though she used your phone. If she transferred the copyright to you, then you are the copyright holder, but you are not the copyright holder simply because it was your phone. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Observation I'm pretty confident that Kelly, the original IP poster here, has a very strong case, as I'm pretty sure the uploader is a serial image copyright violator. I judge that, not only from their Commons Talk Page showing a past history of deletions of dubious images, but also by the three current uploads which DESiegel and I have just challenged them about there. In my view the editor (User:Kim Leung) needs to be indeffed from Commons and all their contributions deleted as quite untrustworthy. After an hour of snooping around the internet, and some reverse image searching, I've definitely found two more crop and upload jobs they've made. None of their uploads have EXIF data and are of such low resolution that I think the evidence is overwhelming they've breached policy over at Wikimedia Commons. But because Wikimedia Commons is a separate project from Wikipedia (with its own administrators and protocols) I cannot take that action myself. Nor can I warn or block a user here for actions they've made elsewhere. Anyone know how to report a user on Commons (rather than simply flag their individual uploads for deletion)? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)    
Nick Moyes I have reported the user at c:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems. We will see hope commons admins follow up. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks, DESiegel. Let's hope so. In the meantime, I have found yet another copyright violation - this time a blatant screen grab from this Nicki Minaj YouTube video (2mins 47 sec in, if anyone's curious enough to check it out). I decided not to report the single file at this point in time, but identified it on their user page on Commons for an admin to consider. I believe we should be proactive and remove the image of Kelly McCormack from that article (which I have just done), though any removal may well be reverted if a Commons investigation hasn't yet started into the actions and uploads of the editor in question. Please keep an eye on the article. Nick Moyes (talk) 02:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Update: All photographic 'contributions' from this user have now been deleted, as every one was a copyright violation. They have been warned that they will be blocked if this ever happens again. To Kelly McCormack: I do hope we've demonstrated that we listen and that we care. I'm sorry you have been upset and inconvenienced by someone else's illegal actions. May I ask if you might still consider providing an image of yourself that you do actually own, and which could be placed in the article about you? If so, please let us know, and we will guide you through the simple steps in properly releasing a photo. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I finish a translation using the translation tool?[edit]

Hi, I just published my first two translations. I used the translation tool and when I was reasonably happy with the result I renamed the page. Now I have two versions: one is the article and another one is an unfinished translation. How do I delete the unfinished translation? Cases are Jacques van Lier and Lina Coen. Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 02:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Ruud Buitelaar: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you want to delete a page in your userspace such as User:Ruud Buitelaar/Jacques van Lier, you can replace all the text with {{db-self}}, and someone will be along shortly to delete it. If the page you want to delete is not in your userspace, could you please provide a link? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 03:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC).

Thanks! Yes, the pages are in my userspace. I´ll follow your instructions to delete them.Ruud Buitelaar (talk) 15:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Getting attention on the Dispute resolution noticeboard[edit]

A dispute was brought to by another editor, but Im one of the editors involved. I realize DRN is staffed by volunteers, and our edit is tiny, but its on a popular page Kamala_Harris. Not on the top 25 list, but topical. We got attention of one volunteer three days ago, but it was sort of an ancillary question. Im grateful for the attention its gotten, but for lack of attention, its sort of turned into an extension of the Talk:Kamala_Harris page, and I think it's not doing anyone any good. I would say, even I have not helped in this regard. Ive unfortunately responded way beyond my summary.

How do we move this forward, and get the attention of a volunteer? Rklahn (talk) 04:57, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

This has been has been answered elsewhere, and no longer needs to be addressed here. Rklahn (talk) 17:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

crystal[edit] (talk) 07:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, is there a specific question you want to ask?  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 09:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Submit Draft:Ali Mansour[edit]

Submit Draft:Ali Mansour, a notable actor:

  • 1. Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.

- yes, his role in the series Napoleon wal Mahroussa , his role in the series Saraya Abdeen , and in IMDb and, and Marefa – Ali Mansour's biography.

  • 2. Has a large fan base or a significant "cult" following.

- yes, An actor and influencer with more than 200,000 followers on Facebook verified page.

  • 3. Has made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment.

- yes, promoting to Egypt, Tour guide and influencer here. and Ali Mansour On the largest Egyptian news sites. a notable person independent reliable sources 1 2 3 , radio interview On the official channel , television interview.

  • all i have write in the Draft have a source.
  • and You can use Google Translate to translate the titles and content of the sources in Arabic.
  • click here to see ali mansour on google. or write ”ali mansour actor” on google. or write ”علي منصور مبادرة” to see ali mansour in arabic on google.
  • Thank you. (talk) 12:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy: Created 28 July, Declined 28 July, Rejected 29 July. Creating editor advised to ask for help at Teahouse, which is why here (above). David notMD (talk) 13:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Note this was posted about again, 10 hours later, below at #anyone can help please. Please don't do that. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Where to begin in expanding an entry (and avoiding conflicts of interest)?[edit]


I'm working as a strategist for an organization called 'The Munathara Initiative' and I'm being tasked with expanding upon the wikipedia entries of both the organization itself ( as well as its founder, Belabbes Benkredda ( I've taken the tour and read some independent articles on how best to expand on articles and avoid conflicts of interest, but I'm wondering more concretely if I should expand upon the entries all at once and insert reliable sources, or whether I should approach this as more of a piecemeal project.

Thanks so much for your help and advice! Mgordner (talk) 13:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You shouldn't make any edits to the articles directly. You should first include a clear declaration of paid editing on your user page, and then as you have a conflict of interest you should use the article's talk page to propose changes. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Much appreciated, @David Biddulph. What exactly does it mean to declare myself a paid editor on my user page? Does this mean posting "paid editing " at the top of the page? I already state that I am working for Munathara. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mgordner (talkcontribs) 14:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Needs to be on your User page. Calling yourself a "Senior Strategist" is not clear enough. David notMD (talk) 14:24, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
If you read WP:Paid-contribution disclosure#How to disclose again, it tells you how to do it. Part of that section says "... and to supply a clearly visible list of their paid contributions on their main user page. The template {{paid}} can be used for this.". --David Biddulph (talk) 15:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Making an article about an association[edit]

I have made an article about an association which is more than 25 years old in India and still active with prominent computer scientists involved. This article is rejected. How can I make this article more neutral? Hebbarp (talk) 13:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hebbarp, Read the essays Writing better articles - Information style and tone and Neutral point of view. ~ Amkgp 💬 20:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

What is ''?[edit]

If i add translations in the articles about places in my country, '' must be added or what? Is that Example or Example? Rdp060707 (talk) 14:19, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Rdp060707 The usual convention is that non-english words are shown in italics like this. Is that what you are asking about? Could you link to an example, please? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Here is the example, which is from Meycauayan and my own words:

Tagalog: Lungsod ng Meycauayan and Tagalog: Bayan ng Halimbawa

NOTE: This second one is not from a article. Rdp060707 (talk) 14:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707 the above from Meycauayan seems perfectly proper and consistent with the guidance at MOS:FOREIGNITALIC which says: Wikipedia uses italics for phrases in other languages and for isolated foreign words that do not yet have everyday use in non-specialized English. Use the native spellings if they use the Latin alphabet (with or without diacritics)—otherwise anglicize their spelling. It is best to use {{lang}} rather than manually adding italic markup. Translations, as opposed to transliterations or untranslated non-English words, may or may not require italics. Does that answer your question? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I will know that. Thank you. Rdp060707 (talk) 04:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Facebook: Using a subject expert's quote (as a secondary/tertiary source)[edit]

Hello Teahouse,

Quick question, as the guidance on using Facebook as a source is a little ambiguous. WP:FACEBOOK says: 'As a reliable source: Sometimes (OK to use, under the following conditions): The official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject. (See Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published sources.)

Now, I'm not trying to use it as a primary source, rather as a secondary, or even tertiary one, in support of the other sources I've provided (and within the body of an article, not to create a new article itself). To be exact, the post is from 'The World's Leading Script Development Company for Writers & Filmmakers' and sent to their 53,000 followers, which quotes the words of an Academy Award nominated scriptwriter (the secondary source), who has described the similarities between a student's work and that of a TV show as 'staggering and non-coincidental'. The student is the primary source. Using the guidance above, it only references that it's sometimes OK to use Facebook as a primary source (which surely means it can be used as a secondary source, afterall primary is about themselves). Following the guidance on verifiability, as a self-published source it would be acceptable as they are clearly subject-expertys, as is the person they are quoting? Advice much appreciated. Thanks, SR SethRuebens (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC) SethRuebens (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, SethRuebens. No, Facebook is never acceptable as a secondary source, because secondary sources must be reliably published; that is, published somewhere that has a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking. If the words of the scriptwriter have been published somewhere reliable, cite that. If they haven't they cannot be cited. --ColinFine (talk) 14:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply ColinFine. The debate is around the reliability of the other secondary sources (self-published from subject experts), which I understand is OK based on WP:SPS, but which is being debated. Just thought that logically a third party, totally unconnected to the second and primary ones, would be acceptable, when that tertiary source is quouting the secondary one about the primary source's work (as convoluted as it seems). Doesn't make sense that they can be included talking about themselves, and not about others. Regards, SR SethRuebens (talk) 15:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
SethRuebens, a SPS is reliable for what the (self-)publisher says they did, including for what they say about others. But it's reliable as a source that they said it about the others (which may or may not be an encyclopaedic claim); it is not a reliable source for the content of what they said. --ColinFine (talk) 16:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine thanks. That makes sense. The issue I have is that one of the arguments I'm debating is 'it's just one person's claims that this happened', when clearly it's been supported by multiple subject-expert secondary sources, whose words have been acknowledged in the Facebook post of the tertiary one. I'm just trying to establish that the tertiary source 'said it'. The encyclopaedic claim part is a different part of the argument (although I don't think there's any issue over that, yet!). Many thanks, SR SethRuebens (talk) 17:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I am did a mistake on redirection![edit]

It is gone wrong, Wikipedians, making a redirect (Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto) to Vico Sotto, but it goes to Vic Sotto! The another Sotto is on the last. You need to modify it and correct it so it will go to Vic Sotto. I will listen. Rdp060707 (talk) 14:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Rdp060707, you appear to have created a redirect at Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto Sotto, not Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto. It's not clear to me whether that's also an error that needs correction, but I've fixed the first problem of it pointing to the wrong article (although you could have done that yourself). signed, Rosguill talk 14:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Rosguill, i changed my mind. You need to remove (speedy delete) Victor María Regis Nubla Sotto Sotto, and i will make a correct version, goes to the mayor of Pasig. Rdp060707 (talk) 15:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Rdp060707,  Done signed, Rosguill talk 15:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Rdp060707 (talk) 04:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How to remove false information from a wikipedia page[edit]

Hi, We would like to remove false information from a wikipedia page. We have tried several times to change the information and the editor Jacona has blocked any further changes. What can we do to stop this false information? Thank you Mulan.christian (talk) 14:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Mulan.christian:. I'm afraid without information regarding what article you are referring to, and what the problematic content is supposed to be, there is likely very little we can do to help. GMGtalk 14:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Mulan.christian Ther have been no edits other than the above message from this account. Also, who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts should be for the use of one single person, never shared or for use by a gorup, company, or organization. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Jacona do you have any idea what is the subject here? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I can only guess, and not sure that would be productive. But I would venture to guess it's someone who wants to remove reliably sourced information they don't like. Mulan.christian, you will have to be more specific if you want any help.Jacona (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

how to change my user name here?[edit]

how to change my user name here? ddc (talk) 15:32, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You asked the same question at WP:Help desk and had an answer there. Please don't waste the time of volunteers by asking the same question in multiple places. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:56, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello Dr.dinesh charan and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Wikipedia:Changing username for full details. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:58, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Linking non-existent entry to an existing article[edit]

Hello. I wanted to create a page on wikipedia that doesn't exist but I want to create it only as a link to an already existent page on wikipedia. For example a search for Kynast Castle,, should link to Chojnik Castle as it is the same castle just in two different languages, .

Thank you. Aavc86 (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You want to create Kynast Castle as a redirect. See instructions at WP:MAKEREDIR. PAVA11 (talk) 16:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Help with hyperlink to new page and correcting information[edit]

Hi, I looked at the page for Biron, WI Biron, Wisconsin and have a couple of questions. First, the statement, "The village was named after Francis X. Biron, a merchant from Galena, Illinois who opened a store in Wisconsin Rapids.[7]" is misleading as Francis Biron spent most of his life in the logging business in the Wisconsin Rapids/Biron area and he was from Quebec, Canada. So, how can I fix this?

Secondly, I'd like to know how add a hyperlink to his name to provide his biography on a different page. I have source information that I got from the library in Biron/Wisconsin Rapids and wasn't sure if I need to link to them or somehow prove that my information is legitimate.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you. Ldicesare57 (talk) 16:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ldicesare57 and welcome to the Teahosue.
  • As to your first question, do you have a reliable source which supports your statement that Francis Biron spent most of his life in the logging business in the Wisconsin Rapids/Biron area and he was from Quebec, Canada.? If you do, yo0u can simply add this information to the article, citing the source. Or if you are not comfortable doing that, post the information along with the details of your source (and a link if the source is online) to Talk:Biron, Wisconsin. You may ping me to the talk page if you like after you post there.
  • Secondly, do not post links to non-Wikipedia page in the body of an article, except as cited sources., Please read Referencing for Beginners to learn how to add source citations. Please read WP:EL to learn about external links and how they may and may not be used.
If you want to create a new Wikipedia page about Francis X. Biron, that is a significant piece of work. Please read Your First Article. I will place additional detailed info on your user talk page. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Talk Page[edit]

Hi, how can I create a talk page based on a film, actor, or a subject, like Talk:Sushant Singh Rajput? Thanks! We are the Great (talk) 17:42, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

You cannot at this time, until you reach confirmed status, at least. El_C 17:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
El C If you look, you will see that We are the Great is far past being autoconfirmed. Indeed that user has extended-confirmed rights.
We are the Great, simply go to any article page, and click the "talk" tab ("discussion" in some skins I think). If there is no current talk page, you can create one by simply typing and saving. Note that atalk page is for discussing how to improve the article, it is not a general forum to discuss the topic. It is common for one or more project banner templates to be at or near the top o an article talk page. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I just assumed the article talk page being under semiprotection was the hindrance here. El_C 19:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Problematic info[edit]

Just read the entry on Talmudic scholar Jose Faur. The style of the entire article is std. And, as is also std., there is brief info on Faur’s 3 children, no sources given. At the end of the relevant sentence, someone whose first language is not English has provided, in a highly personal, idiosyncratic voice, information about a fourth “secret child.”

Should this portion of the entry be edited into std English? Deleted in it’s entirety? I cannot find public information supporting the claim of a 4th, unacknowledged child. Drsharps53 (talk) 18:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Drsharps53: Thanks for pointing this out - I removed the info, per WP:BLP guidelines about unsourced personal information. Article is José Faur. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 18:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Struck the BLP part - he is apparently no longer alive - I missed that earlier. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 19:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Using copyright images with owner's permission[edit]

I would like to understand how to use copyright images for which I have the owner's permission. Where and how should I upload them? Where and how should I cite the owner's permission. Sorry if this is a dumb question but I'm a complete newbie and what I've read so far seems to focus on copyright free images which can be re-used freely by anyone. If I upload an image to Wikimedia Commons I am making it free to use, which it is not. I am working on Draft:John Roberts a page on a very talented sculptor who died young in 2002. Thanks in advance for your help. Humble seeker after wisdom (talk) 18:13, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Humble seeker after wisdom:. Unfortunately, we cannot accept images that have limited permission only for use on Wikipedia. If the owner of the image would like it used on Wikipedia, they will need to release the image into the public domain, or release it under a particular free license. GMGtalk 18:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Humble seeker after wisdom and welcome to the Teahouse. The reasons the various help pages concentrate on image free for every one to use is that images used only "with the owner's permission" are simply not allowed on Wikipedia. Unless the owner's permission amounts to a release under a free license, so that anyone in the world my use or modify the image, for any purpose at all, provided only that proper credit is given, without any further permission or fee required, then Wikipedia considers the image to be "non-free" and allows its use only under a claim of fair use. A permission from the copyright holder "to use this image on Wikipedia only" is simply ignored. Non-free images may be used only if they comply with the non-free content criteria, and if they do comply they may be used even if the copyright owner objects. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How do you I stop the Mental Disorder article from constantly being re-edited to equate mental disorders with mental illness, when they are not the same thing?[edit]

Dear Teahouse, My name is Dr. Christopher Binetti. I have four non-physical disorders, two or more of them qualify as mental disorders. I am not mentally ill. I do not like the idea that non-disabled people are persuading non-mentally ill people that they are mentally ill when they simply have manageable mental disorders or disabilities. Telling every person with ASD, OCD, or anxiety that they have a mental illness, when it is not true, creates both confusion and more stigma, not less. I face disability discrimination all of the time because of fallacies like this. I am not mentally ill but some able person, I hope that I was an able person, just basically said that I was in denial for refusing to "accept" that I had a mental illness, when I have a mental disorder or disability. There is a real distinction and psychiatrists and psychologists, at least in the US, acknowledge the difference. The mind and the body are not perfectly the same, so that needing medication and therapy does not make you "sick" or "ill". You just manage your disability. Mental illness is very real, believe me, but it is not simply having a mental disorder or mental disability. Able people are imposing the term "mental illness" on everything. This is the cruel side of political correctness. While we all are forced to use the singular they because the term "he or she" offends non-binary people, no one thinks twice of calling a non-mentally ill person "mentally ill" because one has a mental disorder or disability. It is a lack of power on the behalf of disabled people. The truth is that mentally disabled or disordered people are usually not mentally ill. I hope that people stop equating mental disorders with mental illness on the Mental Disorder page and in life. Sincerely, Dr. Christopher Binetti

 Cbinetti (talk) 19:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Cbinetti, Please post this feedback at Talk:Mental disorder to start a discussion there. Please don't keep editing the article without consensus, because this can be seen as edit warring (however well intentioned). Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Removing a reference is never a good action unless justified (the ref did not apply or replaced with a better ref). Your comment at the article's Talk page is a huge block of text. Perhaps add a succinct recommendation of what you propose to change, with a ref(s) in support of your statement that a mental disorder should not be further defined as a mental illness, especially as there is not a separate article by that name. Lastly, editors using their own condition or situation as part of an argument does not help. David notMD (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

When to add a source?[edit]

Hello! Apologies if my question is silly, I usually am good with context clues and such, but I'm a bit stumped here. See, I recently edited the page for aquarium fish, and saw that most sections for the fish had no source provided, so I assumed adding one would be cluttering the box when I wrote a section on the penguin tetra. However, my edit was removed quickly for a lack of a source/original research. I'm totally fine with this, I'm just wondering why it wasn't applied to the other fish in the section. If it's because I'm new or not as trustworthy with edits, I understand! I'm pretty new here. Thanks in advance. Chicago Shuffle (talk) 20:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Materialscientist left a comment on your Talk page, so logically, you could post your question on MS's Talk page. I do see that content in the Remarks column is not referenced for other fish. David notMD (talk) 20:55, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How to reference a "Certificate of Incorporation"?[edit]

I am writing my first article, and one of the references I want to use is a "Certificate of Incorporation" from 1928. There is no author, just 15 original members' signatures. I've looked at all the templates and cannot figure out how to make it work.

Most of my other references easily fit into this template:

  • "Paris Post 1 to Have Headquarters in New York". The National Legionnaire. Indianapolis, IN: The American Legion. July 1947. Retrieved July 14, 2020. Rick Jones (talk) 20:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
    RichardWJones, this isn't responsive to your question, but I'd strongly advise you to read WP:PSTS and WP:N. I looked at User:RichardWJones/sandbox (which I imagine this question may relate to), and I see a whole lot of primary sources. Wikipedia articles should be primarily built on secondary sources, and primary sources should be used with care. Also, primary sources cannot establish that a subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. Before you invest more time in your draft, you may want to seek guidance to make sure that you have identified sufficient secondary sources about Paris Post 1 and that it qualifies for an article. I'll leave the question about citation formatting to others. Calliopejen1 (talk) 20:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Calliopejen1, Thank you for your comment. I understand why my sources look like primary sources. Paris Post 1 is an American Legion post, and the sources are American Legion publications. That said, they are two different organizations. Paris Post 1 is a stand-alone post in Paris; the American Legion is a national organization in the U.S. The publications in question were neither created nor published by Paris Post 1. That said, I am also on the trail other sources (French and American newspapers, Congressional Records, a few history books) that I hope will fill out the historical record.
Is a "Certificate of Incorporation" a published document? I'm dubious. --ColinFine (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine, it may vary by the exact jurisdiction, but they are typically publicly filed, and publicly available for viewing with varied degrees of hassle -- from pulling it up online to going to a distant courthouse. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:52, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
ColinFine, In fact, I found another Wikipedia article that uses the same "Certificate of Incorporation" that I want to use. So I guess that answers the question.

anyone can help please[edit]

I'm very sad, 3 Drafts are not accepting because i am ip and not editor, all have sources, And they refuse for the same reasons. Everyone rejects drafts, nobody helps, we try hours, and they easily refuse in seconds. 1-Draft:Sherif Salama, 2- Draft:Napoleon Wal Mahrousa, 3- Draft:Ali Mansour. -- (talk) 22:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC) (talk) 22:09, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Note this was posted about 10 hours ago above at #Submit Draft:Ali Mansour. Please don't do that. If you want to add to your previous posting, just edit that section. You have been given lots of feedback on the article page itself regarding notability (and lack thereof) and unsuitability of sources like blogs, interviews, and IMDb. It has nothing to do with you being an IP editor. If others have something to contribute, they will respond in time – we are all volunteers with real lives to attend to. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Created with templates {{source assess table}} and {{source assess}}
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Overall value toward GNG Yes Independent Yes Appears to be reliable No Directory entry Dark Red x.svg No Largely what the subject said about itself, probbably interview Yes Appears to be reliable No A few sentences, most by the subject, not even a full paragraph Dark Red x.svg Yes Appears to be largely independent Blue question mark (italic).svg I'm unsure about the reliability of this website Blue question mark (italic).svg More coverage than the last one, but still questionable Blue question mark (italic).svg Yes Appears to be independent Yes Probbably reliable No Largely about the film, not the actor Dark Red x.svg Yes Appears to be independent No Appeas to be user-editable, at least I saw something like a rate button No Directory entry Dark Red x.svg Blue question mark (italic).svg Apepars to be largely what the subject reported, but I cant say that for sure using google translate Yes Appears to be reliable Yes A few paragraphs. Blue question mark (italic).svg Blue question mark (italic).svg Largely stuff by Mansur on His works, Partially reported by the subject Yes Appaers to be a somewhat reliable source in general No Largely about the place he is, describing the wonderfull nature there Dark Red x.svg
{{{src}}} No Largely what the subject reported Yes Appears to be a reliable newspaper Yes Dark Red x.svg No Interview with the subject Blue question mark (italic).svg Youtube can be a questionable source, and without language knowledge it hard to determine the reliability Yes 17:20 Minutes Dark Red x.svg No Interview with the subject Blue question mark (italic).svg Youtube can be a questionable source, and without language knowledge it hard to determine the reliability Yes 12:18 Minutes Dark Red x.svg
Note:I had to use google translate to asses, which makes things rather difficult. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Template not forming new row in table[edit]

Hi I'm basing my table on this example:

This is my sandbox:

I added my own attempt at a template on the second row:

Could you explain why it's not formatting as a separate row? Dave F63 (talk) 23:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Dave F63: Your template {{Uknrstn}} was missing the leading |- that is used to start a new table row. I added it for you. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:37, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: Thank you! That's what comes of staring at the screen for too long. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dave F63 (talkcontribs) 15:45, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Please help: Wisbech[edit]

I come to you, in search of brave-hearted editors, of keen mind, fearless and true. Wisbech, (population @ 32K), has been invaded by one sentence, one paragraph factoids. I challenge, nay, I beg you to open the article, and scan through it.

I think I can tackle the Sport section, with its 19! subsections. But I fear I do not have a grasp of the minutiae of 17th-19th century English history, that may be required for other sections.

Any advice or help will be deeply appreciated. As I post, more factoids are being added, by the same editor, F, who has contributed, at last count, 70.7% to the article. What to do??? Thanks, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 00:04, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Fenlandier expanded Wisbech to >200,000 bytes. Quisqualis has since cut it by half. I suppose we will see if all that leads to an edit war. David notMD (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
David notMD, thanks for your help with the article. Cheers, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 20:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How to convince an editor that Romania exists on Simon Belmont[edit]

The character of Simon Belmont originated in Transylvania, which is part of Romania, which an anonymous editor thinks does not exist. How do I fix this mistake without breaking the three edit rule? (Oinkers42) (talk) 00:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

You may be misunderstanding that editor's edit summary, which admittedly is written in poor English with improper tense usage. I think their point is that this fictional character was supposedly born when Transylvania was indeed part of Hungary (or, technically, the Austro-Hungarian Empire), well before the creation of the country of Romania in 1859.
Having said that, it's not evident to me what this character's ethnicity is supposed to be, so whether categorising him under Category:Fictional Hungarian people is appropriate or not I can't judge. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 00:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi (Oinkers42). Not sure how to convince someone that something like a country exists when they insist that it doesn't, but perhaps that's not a relevant issue since the article seems to be about a fictional character who might be living in a fictional world where a country named Romania might possibly not exist. Regardless of whether this is the case, you should try and start a discussion about this at Talk:Simon Belmont and explain the reasons for you edit and see if you're able to establish a consensus in favor of your position because this is a kind of content dispute and content disputes are almost always best resolved through discussion on the article talk page. Edit warring with the IP address will likely only lead to your account being blocked unless you clearly think reverting them again is allowed per WP:3RRNO. Whether the IP is willing to participate in such a discusison is ultimately up to the IP to decide, but their participation isn't needed for one to take place. Once a consensus has been reached, however, the IP will be expected to abide by it or establish a new consensus in favor of their posistion; in other words, they just can't ignore the consensus and do what they want. FWIW, this article has been nominated for deletion and quite a number of editors have commented on it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Belmont; so, it probably should be too difficult to find people other than IP willing to discuss this with you on the article's talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
The IP's edit summary is clear and correct, though slightly ungrammatical. At the time of Belmont's (fictitious) life, Romania did not exist as a nation. Describing Simon Belmont as Romanian is absurd. Maproom (talk) 07:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Publishing Problem[edit]

Dear support team,

I have no financial stake in promoting the topic I wrote about, meanwhile I cant figure out why my article didn't get accepted to be published.

Thank you for your time Abdelmounimbfs (talk) 03:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Abdelmounimbfs, Draft:Waystocap was declined for the reasons explained at its top. Please read about Wikipedia's concept of notability. To get the draft accepted, you are going to need to cite several reliable independent sources about Waystocap. The draft currently cites none. Articles based on what a representative of the company has said do not qualify as "independent". Maproom (talk) 07:59, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Abdelmouhnimbfs. Please understand that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything the subject of an article says about itself, or that its associates or representatives say about it. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and have not been prompted or fed information by the subject, have chosed to publish about the subject. An article needs to be based at least 90% on such indepedent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 08:29, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Abdelmounimbfs You don't have to have a "financial stake" to have a conflict of interest, nor do you have to be specifically paid to edit in order to be a paid editor. 331dot (talk) 08:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@Abdelmouhnimbfs: I was the editor that left the notices on your talk page. The policy on WP:OUTING forbids me from stating my reasons publicly, but I will say that did not do it without reason. If you are working for this company, representing their interests, then you are considered a paid editor. You don't have to be receiving monetary remuneration for this to apply. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Any Template Editor who help me in fixing a template[edit]

Hi editors, hope you are doing well, I recently created a WikiProject namely Wikipedia:WikiProject Chenab Valley and it's template Template: WikiProject Chenab Valley having some issues. When I rate any article related to WikiProject, there is no option rate stub, start, C, B or any specifically to this. Also have lots of other issues which needs to be solved. Kindly check and fix it. Also tell me the solution about other issues. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri (Speak🗣️ or Write✍️) 03:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@TheChunky: I'd suggest WT:COUNCIL to reach an audience that might be familiar with the WikiProject templates (or at least point you to where you might find help). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to transclude an article?[edit]

Just as you can transclude a user page, {{User:ClueBot NG}}, I'm wondering if you could do the same with an article. (talk) 03:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but why would you need to do that? It works like this: {{:Wikipedia}}. Howewer, there is a limit on the size of included pages which might get triggered if you attempt to include large articles. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
In addition to what Victor mentioned above, transcluding an article can also create problems if their are images (particularly non-free images) involved. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:14, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Changing the name of a submitted draft article[edit]

Hello. I've submitted a draft article for review and I'm now thinking that I should've named it differently.

The draft is Tulay Goren - in line with other honour killing victims, such as Shafilea Ahmed and Samaira Nazir, I think "Murder of Tulay Goren" would've been more apt. Can it be changed and, if so, how? Or will it break something if it's done now? Thank you. DSQ (talk) 06:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

DeltaSnowQueen Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You could leave a note on the draft talk page that you would like the title changed; if it is accepted, the reviewer can change the name when they move it into the main encyclopedia. If they accept it but don't do that, you can request a page move at Requested Moves to change the title after it is moved. 331dot (talk) 07:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you 331dot, much appreciated. I'll try leaving a note for the reviewer. --DSQ (talk) 11:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I get an existing image in my article to appear top right?[edit]

Wikipedia - best enjoyed with a mug of tea served by one of our Hosts

Sorry for this rather basic question, I've been looking on Help pages for an answer, but not succeeding. I looked at Infoboxes, but not sure that's the answer. If someone could kindly point me in the right direction, I'd be really grateful - thank you! CourtauldGill (talk) 09:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC) 

Hi, CourtauldGill, and welcome to the Teahouse. You were so close but so far! It simply needed a vertical 'pipe' between each of the parameters to make it work. I’ve now fixed it for you. In addition, one parameter was invalid; I’ve changed 'image caption=' to just 'caption='.
The default position for any image is at the right of any section you add it to. So, without using an infobox, you could have placed it immediately before the lead sentence. To force an image to the left, you would have to add "left" into the source code, -between pipe characters.
One little tip is to try using the 'preview button' to check how your edits may look. For complex things like infoboxes I often experiment in my sandbox first. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Many thanks, Nick - really appreciate your kind help. Thank you so much for coming to the rescue!! The article looks so much better now :-)

CourtauldGill (talk) 10:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

You're welcome. A pleasure to be of help. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Info about Draft : Eugènie Jeanne Devolle[edit]

My Draft has not been selected even though I have put a reference and I have a tip to do when you go to the reference. Please Review again. Yours sincerely Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC) Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: Wikis are not reliable sources because the users generate the content. This includes Wikipedia itself. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, I have more references now.Science Wiki Guy (talk) 14:43, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Wiki-Nihaal: No, is not reliable for the same reason; the users submit the content. This disqualifies most social media sites. Please also note that notability is not inherited. Just because someone is a relative of a notable person does not make themselves notable. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:54, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse, Wiki-Nihaal. If you are referring to Draft:Eugènie Jeanne Devolle the ball is firmly in your court. It is quite unacceptable as a new article right now, and needs much, much more work from you, as explained in the rejection notice left by Theroadislong. Which bit of that did you not understand? Please DO NOT resubmit that draft for review until you actually know what needs to go into a new article. Try reading WP:YFA, to start with. Looking at your talk page, you appear to have attempted to create this page with minimal content on three or four past occasions over the last few days, and each has been deleted because they were wholly insufficient as an encyclopaedia page here. There will come a point where, if you keep trying to create this article based on virtually no references and malformed text, you'll be seen as just wasting everyone's time. Take your time - there is no rush. Better to spend weeks or months getting it right than having future page-creation blocked ('salted') for time wasting. (I feel we might be getting close to that point, which would be a real shame) Just remember, you cannot use any 'user-generated' page (like other wikis and genealogical sites) as a reference to prove notability. You need to stop and search for proper books, magazine or journals which go into depth about the person, and appreciate that 'Notability is not inherited'. The parent of a notable person doesn't automatically deserve a page of their own - it's up to you to find in-depth sources which prove they're notable in their own right. Notability doesn't just mean you provide a few links to show when she was born and died, or who her kids were. Please read Wikipedia:Competence is required to appreciate some of the concerns I have over your approach to contributing here. Slow down, and perhaps you should give The Wikipedia Adventure tour a go. There are 15 badges to collect as you learn the basics of editing. RegardsNick Moyes (talk) 15:07, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@Wiki-Nihaal: One thing that anyone writing an article about a subject should do is to look for existing articles in the encyclopaedia that demonstrate what a proper article is supposed to look like. For example, in this case, if Eugènie Jeanne Devolle is supposed to be notable as a fashion designer, you might compare your article draft with Coco Chanel. Do you see the differences? Nobody expects you to start out with a complete article like this, of course, but it should at least have the "bones" of an article (sections, at least some prose written in English sentences, references, etc.). This is, of course, after you have resolved the notability issue addressed by others above (i.e., three or more published, reliable, independent sources with in-depth coverage of her). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:11, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I read she was a washerwoman! Science Wiki Guy (talk) 04:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC) I have found only genealogical sites as a reference, I am going to check other non-genealogy websites or leave it alone and go to some other topic Science Wiki Guy (talk) 04:55, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

how can i help Wikipedia without donating money ?[edit]

 2409:4043:2B8D:98BD:2998:7F41:C96B:A803 (talk) 15:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. There are lots of ways to help out, and nobody needs to give money to make a useful contribution! I have left a welcome message for you here, with a suggestion to create an account (though that's not an essential requirement), plus a couple of links to get you started. It's always a good idea to start slowly, learning the right way to make contributions. Taking out interactive tour The Wikipedia Adventure is a great way to collect 15 badges to show you've understood how things work. Starting with little fixes to one or two of our 6,000,000+ articles is the best way. Maybe find topics you're interested in and look for spelling or grammar fixes you can make. Or perhaps add a supporting reference (see this guide on adding sources to statement. If you're stuck for ideas, visit Wikipedia:Community portal where there are links to a range of ways to help out. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 16:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Norwegian/english references and ORG/NO wiki-link challnges[edit]

Hey! Im working on an English page, but some of the references are only in Norwagian. Is it possible to show/make it clear that the NO links do not exist in EN-version?

Also I have trouble putting in the NO and ORG wiki-links in the text. It says the wikipage does not exist although it does. Any tips on how to fix this?

Ex. on links that appear as non-existant when I try to add them in the text: Royal Ballet School:

Norsk Scenekunst:

Thanks in advance. Best, May MaySundAnd (talk) 15:46, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, MaySundAnd. If you use the template {{ill}}, it creates a redlink to the non-existent English article, and a link labelled "no" to the no-wiki article; but if somebody creates the English article, it will silently change to point to that. So {{ill|Norsk scenekunstbruk|no}} displays as Norsk scenekunstbruk [no]. --ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Page naming within a topic (slavery in agriculture)[edit]

Hello Tea friends,

I'd like to ask about page naming for new pages about slavery. I am looking to draft a page about slavery in agriculture, but industry specific or linked with particular item grown (e.g. coffee, berries, etc.). Is there a preferred naming system, e.g. "Slavery in coffee industry", or any other parameters like this?

I saw that there is the Slavery Category, and it has "Slavery by location/type". But this doesn't quite fit as some of these issues are global, and type doesn't apply as that is around bonded-, etc.

Thank you so much for your time and advice! SunnyBoi (talk) 17:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata question, request for help[edit]

Hi, I think and are the same person, but there are separate VIAF IDs. I therefore am hesitant to merge the two. Can you direct me to the correct forum for assistance on this? The reason I would like to merge the two is because there is an article in English for Marie Schnür, which I think should have a redirect from Maria Marc. Also I would appreciate confirmation that this is the same person. Thank you! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:18, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@WomenArtistUpdates:, Not sure if that is the same person. For other queries, since Wikidata is a separate project the Project chat there should be of assistance.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:24, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks ThatMontrealIP, I'll move my question over there. Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Closing the loop ThatMontrealIP. You are correct that these are two different women. Evidently Marie was the first wife of Franz Marc. Maria was his second wife. Thanks again. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:02, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How does one publish a legitimate biography page for Wikipedia?[edit]

A fan of mine spent quite some time looking up resources and creating a Wikipedia page about me and my career and the many books I've written on the art of magic. He sent it to me to proof and then upload in case I wanted to make changes. Obviously, this is not how things are normally done here because I was told the page would most likely be taken down. The information is correct. It is all verifiable. How does he or I proceed in uploading this?

Jim 2605:6000:1500:CF8D:FD0E:4FB8:BB09:8DDF (talk) 20:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I would note that Wikipedia does not have mere "pages"; it has articles. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability(in this case, the definition of a notable person). "Significant coverage" goes beyond brief mentions, interviews with the subject, routine announcements, name drops, or other primary sources. Wikipedia is not interested in what an article subject wants to say about themselves, only in what others completely unconnected with them say about them. Typically an article subject has no say into whether or not an article exists about them, it all depends on the sources.
Autobiographical articles, while not forbidden, are strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy, as people naturally write favorably about themselves, and Wikipedia tries to have a neutral point of view. If someone has approached you with what they want to write about you, they would have a conflict of interest that they would need to declare. They should avoid directly creating such an article, but instead may submit a draft using Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 20:41, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Problem creating article[edit]

SAME WITH ME!!! THEY KEEP BLOCKING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO CREATE THE PAGE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lonsafko (talkcontribs) 21:13, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Please dont write in all capital letters. It's considered shouting and will definitely not help you cause. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 21:28, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Please not, both the IP user and Lonsafko, that a Wikipedia article about you is absolutely not for your benefit. If there is an article, and it says what you approve of, that is fortunate for you; but Wikipedia is not interested in whether or not you want there to be an article about you, and if there is, Wikipedia is not interested in what you would like the article to say. It is interested only in what people who have no connection with you, and not prompted or fed information from you, have chosen to publish about you in reliable places. If there is enough such independent published material, Wikipedia would like to have an article about you, whether you approve of it or not; and if there is not, Wikipedia will not host an article on you. --ColinFine (talk) 21:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How should the name of this bar be written on Wikipedia?[edit]

There's a bar here in Richmond (started and owned by the band GWAR) called GWARbar. That's the way the name is spelled outside, on the menus, everywhere. When I search google news for gwarbar, I get this:

Every single news article types it as GWARbar. So, is that the way it should look in the GWAR article? In loco parenti (talk) 20:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

It was previously suggested that In loco parenti read MOS:TMRULES concerning using capitalization in trademarked names which gives the band, Kiss, and the company, Sony, as two examples. NJZombie (talk) 21:42, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
I like how this guy NJZombie says "It was previously suggested" as if it was some random person that said that and that he wasn't the one who condescendingly told me "you should read these policies" because that's exactly what happened. In loco parenti (talk) 01:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
@In loco parenti: This is apparently about the name of the section Gwar#GWARbar. There was a short discussion regarding the capitalization of Gwar 13 years ago at Talk:Gwar/Archive 1#Name. Perhaps there is more evidence one way or the other since then. Discussion regarding the name should be at Talk:Gwar. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
This isn't really about capitalizing the name of GWAR/Gwar, it's about the name of the bar that the band started which is called GWARbar. In loco parenti (talk) 01:21, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Add Content To My Page If It Isn't Already On The Web?[edit]

I have been trying since 2007 to complete my Wiki page. The editors keep denying all of my content because they say it is autobiographical or cannot be substantiate on the web. Most of my accomplishments were in the 1980's and 90's.

Someone even volunteered to finish the page after researching every item and was still stopped and eventually had their account closed.

How can I complete my page??? Lonsafko (talk) 21:10, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Lonsafko: First of all, it's neither your article nor your page. The definition of page is anything that can be edited onwiki, such as the Teahouse, where you are currently at. It's Wikipedia's page about you. Wikipedia:FAQ/Article subjects may already give some advice. verifyability is one of the core principles of Wikipedia. Sources don't need to be online, but they should be independent of the subject and have some reliability. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 21:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@Lonsafko: Your talk page has advice about notability that should be reread. If nothing has changed in the subsequent 13 years you will find this process just as frustrating today as back then. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:39, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Comment: I think the article being referred to here is Lon Safko. Content was deleted last February becasue it was a copy/paste job from lonsafko's own website, which has a clear 'Copyright' statement on it. We also don't like using a person's own website for biographical details, preferring to use secondary sources which have had some editorial control. (Imagine if we allowed Donald Trump to edit his own page here, and what untruths we might then see!) But we gladly accept published books and magazines etc as sources (even in foreign languages); stuff doesn't have to be online. For suggesting changes to an article about oneself, one should not edit the article directly, but make a formal WP:EDITREQUEST (q.v.), giving the exact suggested text plus supporting references. Another editor will look at it and decide if it's appropriate to include or not. I hope this helps (Wikipedia's policies can be a nightmare to understand when you're only wanting to achieve one simple task!) Nick Moyes (talk) 23:05, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Im new and I want to add a pitcher in my sand box can you help?[edit]

Kepler-452b artist concept (you can change the caption if you wish.)
Kew gardens pitcher plant.
You can place images on the left, if you wish

Im new and I want to add a pitcher in my sand box can you help? GGGGopie (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi, GGGGopie and welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse. I've added the picture on the right to your sandbox. It's from Wikimedia Commons, where each image has a "Use this file" link next to a 'W' icon for using it on Wikipedia. Copy/paste the text that displays into your sandbox, just as I've done. You can change the caption if you wish. Just one word of advice: there's no point trying to create a new article for one that already exists (such as the page entitled Kepler-452b)- but maybe that's not why you wanted it. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Number of Covid-19 deaths 8-4-20 is WRONG at: It's 2,353,593. NOT 23,535,930![edit]

How can I tell you the number of Covid-19 deaths on 8-4-20 is WRONG at: It's 2,353,593. NOT 23,535,930! Source: (the same source the page sites as its source). Truggleduggle (talk) 22:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Truggleduggle: It looks fine now - perhaps it was already fixed. The article is protected but you can request future edits on the talk page rather than here. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:35, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

teach me how to edit[edit]

Can you teach me how to edit? I am new to Wikipedia. Kemah2020 (talk) 22:25, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Kemah2020: Here's a good place to start. Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:34, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Swati Pashtun Tribe[edit]

How to edit properly ? Haider khan10 (talk) 22:27, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Haider khan10: I think this is the article you are interested in Swati (Pashtun tribe). If you have a specific edit request it would be easier to post it on that article's talk page. If you'd like to learn to edit in general, here's a good place to start. Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:32, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Haider khan10 (talk) 22:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How to make a colorful and fun signature[edit]

I would like to know how to make my signature colorful, beautiful, and fun. I don't know how to do it. I know some basic HTML, CSS, and JavaScript, in case I need to know it. Thank you. Friend505 (talk) 22:57, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Friend505: You've only been editing 12 days, and have spent far too much time posting on other people's talk pages, and not really adding much yet to the encyclopaedia. Why not wait to make fancy signatures until such time as people think you're genuinely here to make a difference? I've been here 10 years, and still haven't got around to showing off with a clever signature. But see WP:CUSTOMSIG if you really feel you must. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How to upload an image to an existing article. I am a new user. NOT auto confirmed yet, but i already uploaded to wikimedia successfully.[edit]

Prof C V Rao final.
Can you genuinely assert that you took this image?

How to upload an image to an existing article. I am a new user My account is NOT auto confirmed yet, but i already uploaded to wikimedia successfully. However, i do NOT want to wait for 4 days and 10 posts and i want the image to be uploaded immediately right now to this below link. In the above link i want to incorporate the below image which i successfully uploaded to wikimedia. I would appreciate if anyone can do this for me. Thechellapillas (talk) 23:06, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thechellapillas. To be brutally frank with you, I do not believe the photo you uploaded to Wikimedia Commons of the 61-year old person who died in 1971 genuinely belongs to you. If it does, I would have expected to see a larger file size from a scanned image. I think this is a cropped image from another photo taken by somebody other than you, so I am not going to answer your question until you can reassure me that it is actually your own. Where did you get it from? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:25, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Given your User name and the name of the person in the photograph, it is possible that you are a relative. That, however, does not make you the holder of the copyright to the photograph, which belongs to the photographer. David notMD (talk) 00:47, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick/David. Yes indeed this is a photo graph taken from an original photograph of our family album. The original photograph dates back to 1950s when it was originally taken. As rightly said, i am relative (grandson C.Maharaj Saran) of Prof. C Venkat Rao, and on observing a Wikipedia page about my grandfather, i have informed it to my father. Then my father Prof. C Gopal has pulled out the family album and shared this picture through whatsapp. I have the original picture received (before cropping) as well , if it is of any help ! And as i mentioned earlier, this photograph is a family photograph clicked decades back and is the only available source of information about my late grandfather which i could upload, as nothing else is available on internet! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thechellapillas (talkcontribs) 01:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Adding the file to the article is fairly easy to do; however, there are other issues which you should resolve first before you try and edit the article again.
The first has to do with Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Since you're claiming that the article is about your grandfather, you're going to be considered to have a conflict of interest with respect to anything written about him on Wikipedia. Please carefully read through the conflict of interest page as well as Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide for more reference, or look at the "welcome-coi" template I added to your user talk page. You need to make sure that your edits are in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines.
The next thing has to do with the copyright status of the photo you uploaded. Generally, the person taking a photo, not the subject of the photo, is considered to be the copyright holder. So, unless you actually took this photo yourself, it's probably not going to be considered your "own work". The way you've described the photo, however, makes it seem like it possibly was taken by a family member. If that was the case and the photo was simple handed down from one generation to another until it finally got to you, then it's possible that the photo could be considered a case of c:Template:PD-heirs. You probably should ask about this at c:COM:VPC to make sure and you're probably going to need to be fairly certain as to who took the original photo. Another thing you could try would be to ask your father to send a WP:CONSENT email to WP:Contact OTRS explaining where the photo came from and why he believes he is the copyright holder. If everything checks out, an OTRS volunteer will verify the license and then you can add the file to the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:29, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Significant Coverage Issue?[edit]

What are some suggestions on other sources to use? The ones I chose were published, reliable and secondary sources independent of the subject. Please advise. Anything helps. Thanks much.

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. Billingsleymusic (talk) 23:17, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Billingsleymusic Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It seems that you are attempting to write about yourself- this is not usually a good idea. While not forbidden, autobiographical articles are strongly discouraged per the autobiography policy. People naturally write favorably about themselves, and Wikipedia tries to have a neutral point of view.
In order to merit an article, you must show that you meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable musician, with significant coverage in independent reliable sources completely unconnected with you and that have chosen on their own to write about you in depth. One is an interview with you, which does not establish notability. The rest only confirm certain pieces of information and do not have in depth coverage of you by someone who chose on their own to give it. In order for you to succeed in writing a Wikipedia article about yourself, you need to forget everything you know about yourself and only write based on the content of independent sources. Most people have great difficulty doing that. If you haven't already, please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 23:26, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@Billingsleymusic: You may wish to read WP:NMUSIC and WP:NBIO to understand the criteria needed for an article to be accepted here. If you are genuinely a 'notable' person, as defined by Wikipedia, we'll give you a big hug and help you in every way we can. If you're here to promote yourself and your business, you can be sure you won't get far. Finding good reliable sources are the key to having an article accepted here. Please act on the guidance offered at this page. Regards, 00:26, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How do i get more people to offer an opinion?[edit]

I started this account just to add some information about my favorite bar in Richmond. It's called GWARbar, and was started by the band Gwar. It's called that by the owners, it's spelled that way (GWARbar) everywhere inside and outside the bar, and every single news story about it spells it that way. One guy decided that it shouldn't be spelled that way and he seems hell-bent on getting his way. He even just made a change to name it GwarBar, with a capital B, and absolutely nowhere does this bar name have a capital B. Okay, fine, that's one guy, that's his opinion. How do I get more people to offer an opinion on this capitalization issue? In loco parenti (talk) 01:37, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi In loco parenti. The best place to discuss this would be on the article's talk page which is what you seem to be doing. Since there are only two of you involved in the discussion and the two of you appear to be unable to find some common ground and resolve things, you can try Wikipedia:Third opinion or Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard. Another thing that you could try would be to scroll up to the top of the article's talk page and look to see which WikiProject's are listed; you could then add a Template:Please see to the talk pages of those WikiProjects to let others no about the discussion. Please understand though that the main thing that's going to be taken into account is whether the name is correct per relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, not whether it's the way the band spells it or the way it's spelled in news stories about the bar. So, your going to have to establish that the way you think the name should be spelled is in accordance with these policies and guidelines. FWIW, you both seem to have gone past WP:3RR by your continued reverting of each other; content disputes rarely are considered an exemption to the three-revert rule per WP:3RRNO and there are really no winners in an edit war. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:09, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Marchjuly, you may remember me, I recently left you a "blast from the past" thank your on your talk. So I hope you know that I respect your experience and opinion. However, the above aituation has me baffled. I offered a compromise, on the tp for Gwar, but the other person (NJZombie) fears that if we make an exception, we will create a "precedent".
I am a WP conservative AGF type, but I am confused. Would you be willing to look into this? I think GWARbar restaurant is a good compromise section header, conserves the actual "brand name" and lowercase restaurant is MOS compliant. GwarBar does not make sense to me. Anyway, thanks for your consideration, I trust your expertise and your ability to "explain" tricky rules. Regards, Tribe of Tiger Let's Purrfect! 03:15, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm not really an expert on explaining things, and am not sure what other advice I can give than what I posted above. Besides, there are now others involved in the discussion that's currently taking place on the article talk page; so, perhaps a consensus will be established either way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:10, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

How do I add a sub-category to a main category[edit]

Hi,I would like to add a new Sub-Category to an existing Category, but don't know how to do it.

The main Category is "Category:Province of Canada". There is a sub-category, "Electoral districts of Canada East".

I am starting to produce articles on the electoral districts of Canada West, and would like to add a sub-category for those articles, entitled "Electoral districts of Canada West", but I don't know how that is done.

Thanks in advance. I really appreciate the Teahouse. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:19, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: You add subcategories to their parent categories the same way you add an article to a category, i.e. by placing a link to it in source code. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 04:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
@Mr Serjeant Buzfuz: You actually add the category to the article, not the other way around. If you have an article "Foo" that you want to place in Category:Electoral districts of Canada West, you edit the article (Foo) with source editor, go to the bottom of the page, and add [[Category:Electoral districts of Canada West]] on a new line. If there are no other categories there already, add an extra blank line above the new category. Once you save it, the article will appear at Category:Electoral districts of Canada West.
To make Category:Electoral districts of Canada West a sub-category of Category:Province of Canada, edit Category:Electoral districts of Canada West with source editor and add [[Category:Province of Canada]] to the bottom of the page (which is empty at the moment). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! done! --Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 07:25, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

About Wikipedia[edit]

I make a article but wikipedia can not approved, I follow all the instruction of wikipedia. Sheelatiwari123 (talk) 05:17, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sheelatiwari123. You didn't mention the name of any article in your post, but perhaps you're referring to Draft:Ganesh Prasad Tiwari. Try talking a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:Notability (people) for some general information about the types of people that Wikipedia considers it OK to create an article about. The main problem with the draft is that you've not cited any reliable sources to allow others to verify what you've written and show that the person you're writing about has received the significant coverage necessry to be considered Wikipedia notable. You can find out some general information about how to write article and add citations in Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners, but the main reason the draft was declined is that you've haven't provided any citations to reliable sources so that the AfC reviwers can assess the subject's Wikipedia notability. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:06, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Using {{rp}} for references that are only used once[edit]

I noticed that the article on Biblical criticism seems to use {{rp}} (with ref name) every time that a page number is referenced (over 200 times), even for references that are only used once. I don't think this is how {{rp}} is meant to be used and it seems unaesthetic. Should it be changed, and if so, what would be the best way of going about it? If I only have time to fix some of them, will that ruin the consistency of style and be worse than doing nothing at all?

What follows is what I've found from looking into this myself, if you know the answer, no need to read it:

The page on {{rp}} states: "This is a relatively uncommon method of citing page numbers, usually used when other methods produce undesirable results. It is used in about one out of every 300 articles at the English Wikipedia... Use this template when you are referring to specific pages within a source which is cited many times in the same article." [emphasis mine]

On the other hand, the page on named references states: "You may optionally provide reference names even when the reference name is not required. This makes later re-use of the sourced reference easier."

On the GA review page for that article, this issue may have been alluded to in a comment which raised an issue about the fact that {{rp}} was being used even when the citation itself already had the page number (internally). This was fixed by removing the page # from (inside) the references (so that only {{rp}} was used). Yaakovaryeh (talk) 04:49, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

@Yaakovaryeh: I'd suggest opening a discussion at Talk:Biblical criticism and pinging the main contributor to the article by starting your message with {{Ping|Jenhawk777}} (similar to what I did here to ping you). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:56, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

From draft to live[edit]

When will my page move from the draft section to a live page, visible to all?

My page: Tassie 244 (talk) 05:30, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Rfc: 'Template:AFC submission|T' is too massive and distracting[edit]

Hello, greetings

At outset itself I do apologize my bit stronger statement, is used to express my displeasure strongly enough.

Since I came on Wikipedia, I have been observing many improvement notice hat note templates as examples of 'curator's dilemma' turned into 'curator extremism' rather than purpose of help and encouragement those seem to have been used frequently for expression of bad faith and threatening. If at all in main space then can be understood to an extent, but even in Draft namespace I come across this 'Template:AFC submission|T' which is massive and distracting to content contributors, and template page informs is used on 40,000+ pages .

I am not totally against improvement notice templates but many times those can be saved for limited use. At times I have seen if a curator takes an extra step and help out in writing better an distracting improvement notice can be avoided. Any ways I am not too pleased with size of Template:AFC submission|T

Thanks and best wishes

Bookku (talk) 05:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Updated website?[edit]

I thought Wikipedia is updated and has everything but come on, it doesn't even have an article about Simp (slang). Can someone create as it has been used mostly this generation and become prominent with many reliable sources available. (talk) 07:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a dictionary, and generally does not have articles on words. Perhaps you want Wiktionary's entry for "simp" ? Maproom (talk) 06:54, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh really? the Karen (slang) has its own article as it has the same amount of sources as Simp does. (talk) 07:01, 5 August 2020 (UTC)