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Reaching consensus on whether illicit trade and black market are distinct or duplicate topics[edit]

Hi, there is an ongoing discussion at on whether illicit trade and black market are duplicate or distinct topics. The discussion was started a few weeks ago after the article on illicit trade was replaced with a redirect to black market by another editor. The latest version of the illicit trade article before it was set to a redirect can be found at: Only two editors provided their opinions so far and the discussion appears stalled (I left messages at two related Wikiprojects but did not manage to get other editors to join the discussion). Note that I did not contribute to the discussion so far as I am the initiator of the illicit trade article and have a close connexion with the topic.

Therefore other opinions would be welcome. But if no other editor provides his opinion, and/or a consensus is not reached, would the next step be to go to the Dispute resolution noticeboard? Thanks for your help. Factfox (talk) 15:50, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

  • @Factfox: Since this is about a question with clearly-defined options (whether illicit trade should be redirected/merged to black market, or the other way around, or kept separate), I would say opening an WP:RFC is likely to work. I feel it requires a bit less bureaucracy than WP:DRN but that is viable too.
Yet another option is to request a merge. (I feel an RfC is better here because the boundaries between the topics are not clearly defined, but that is a fairly weak argument.) TigraanClick here to contact me 08:19, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Many thanks for your guidance @Tigraan:, I will look at opening a WP:RFC. Factfox (talk) 09:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


I want to make a article on here but I'm not good at how to do that. Can anyone help? UB Blacephalon (talk) 19:41, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi UB Blacephalon, it's nice to see you again. The best way to start an article is through the Articles for Creation process, where you can submit your draft article for review by experienced editors.
While we're both here, maybe I can help you start the draft of your first article. Do you have any topics in mind? Zindor (talk) 19:54, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
I can do some research and writing, too. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 20:48, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, since I'm a Pokemon fan, I was thinking about doing a Porygon,Porygon2, Porygon-Z, Farfetch'd or Sirfetch'd article if I can. I tried doing an article about Porygon multiple times with no success. UB Blacephalon (talk) 21:23, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
UB Blacephalon, if your article-creation focus is to create articles on minor Pokemon characters, you have been informed previously that Wikipedia does not consider them WP:Notable. That is still the case now, meaning that Wikicode is the least of your worries. You must first come up with 2-3 reliable, independent, published sources for an article, to demonstrate its subject's notability. If other editors think your sources are good enough, then they (and you) won't be wasting time coding an article.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:15, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Blacephalon, i echo the above. While I would encourage you to create articles on subjects you enjoy, Pokémon species articles are very few in number, the reasoning for which was pointed out. There seems to be a stable consensus on not opening Pandora's Pokébox.
There's specific lists of articles that need creating, but the challenge is finding subjects of interest.
If you'd like to create an easy article and get used to wiki markup, i can find an Indian village for you to write about. Regards, Zindor (talk) 22:42, 22 October 2020 (UTC)
Now I'm not trying to be nagging, and I understand the fact that most Pokemon are not suitable to write about, but I have a feeling that that sirfetch'd has notable references to talk about. My problem is what counts as a reliable source. If all else fails, Zindor, I would love to create that article. UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:00, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Ok. Well there's no harm in beginning a draft and seeing where it goes. Once you've made a start just drop a link and I'll certainly take a look and see what I can do to help. Zindor (talk) 00:29, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Of course! I'll do it as soon as I can! UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I've made what I think is a start. It has no title and has a few sentences but i think its a start. Here! UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:41, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
By "a few", you mean "two". It's not a start. I quote Quisqualis above: "You must first come up with 2-3 reliable, independent, published sources for an article, to demonstrate its subject's notability." Presenting at least two such sources for an article of at least two paragraphs: that would be a start. -- Hoary (talk) 01:24, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Well what counts as a source and how do I put all my info down and organized? I want to make it look good for a start. UB Blacephalon (talk) 01:51, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia defines the types of sources it considers reliable in Wikipedia:Reliable sources, but that's jsut some general information that might not always be clear when it comes to a certain specific sources or specific types of articles. In such cases, you can ask for input at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Since you seem to want to create an article about a Pokemon character, you can try asking for feedback from the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Pokemon. If you want some general information on how to create articles or how to format references try Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:58, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Oh, alright I'll check those out and get back to you with what I've done. UB Blacephalon (talk) 02:05, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
A lot of other video games are notable, but just don't really have an article yet. I was gonna create 60 Parsecs!, but set it aside just due to a lack of interest right now. Alternatively, you can also be a major contributor to other expandable articles, such as Pokémon Café Mix, for example, to get a good kickstart before taking on an article. I like to monitor Super Mario Bros. 35, for example. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 02:20, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Well if I can contribute to Pokemon or chemistry ( though I'm not too smart about it but it does interest me), I'm in! I just want to feel like I want to be involved more and like I'm doing something that helps the community out in a way, ya know? UB Blacephalon (talk) 03:50, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion, Blacephalon, you can help the community and add value to Wikipedia far more by improving some of the thousands of existing articles that are inadequately referenced - or by showing that the references for them do not exist, and getting them deleted as non-notable - than by adding yet another new article of doubtful notability. I understand the desire to make your mark by creating a new article - I remember feeling it myself, when I was new - but most of the time our efforts are better spent elsewhere. --ColinFine (talk) 12:54, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
I feel like editing existing articles arent really doing anything, but I could be wrong. As for references, I'm not sure what sites are notable enough. UB Blacephalon (talk) 15:41, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Zindor, I've updated a lot on the Sirfetch'd draft. Is it viable now? Here! UB Blacephalon (talk) 20:37, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
UB Blacephalon Hi, good to see you're getting the hang of things. The reference style you are using is very old school and prone to linkrot. Consider using citeweb templates with the archive parameter. I'll convert one ref so you can see. The sources seem ok to me for the purpose you are using them for: verifying your prose. There's still some information you need to add citations to. I can't see an indication yet that this topic is important/notable enough to need a standalone article, especially considering the current consensus to keep the majority of Pokemon as list entries. The questions i would ask are: has Sirfetch'd gone meta in society like Mudkip did? Has there been coverage of the character for non-Pokemon reasons, perhaps controversy like that described at Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam? Outside of Pokemon Go and the debut games, what other media formats has Sirfetch'd featured in?
This is a good opportunity for you to practice your skills, even if the draft doesn't end up being published. Try adding an infobox and see how that goes. I'll be here if you need a hand. Regards, Zindor (talk) 13:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Colin is right that there is a lot more to Wikipedia than creating articles. Everyone has their own strengths. There are various creatures used to describe the style of editors: one example would be the WikiGnomes who often make small but important edits. Zindor (talk) 13:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, to your first question, Sirfetch'd has been featured in a lot of memes in the past so I'd say it is. Second, Just the memes but I'm sure I can find something. Third, what do you mean other media formats? UB Blacephalon (talk) 02:49, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I mean like anime, magazines, television. The Pokemon species that do have articles here have been included in several formats. Zindor (talk) 21:50, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Does youtube count? Twilight wings has showed sirfetch'd and there has been many Leeks (Get it? :) ) on Farfetch'd's evolution. It has Merch, plushes and is in manga. UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I started creating an article by mistake !![edit]

My fellow editors and contributors, I was just editing my user page, and then, I linked something by mistake, thinking it was the Wikipedia Adventure that I linked it to.

But very much to my dismay, I discovered that it was linked to a fresh page for creating a new article which I have never tried before.

Please, help me by correcting the link to The Wikipedia Adventure and then, with the text as "ours", insert the link to"Help:New articles"

I will be so grateful for that. Prince (talk) 20:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

@Prince: I'm afraid I don't see any recent new page creations in your history, so you didn't actually save the page (whatever it was). I don't see any WP:REDLINKs on your user page, nor the word "ours". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:48, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1, I put It on my watch list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nikola Tesla edit (talkcontribs) 11:53, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


Sources ?👀Gremista.32 (talk) 00:21, 24 October 2020 (UTC) 

If you have a question about sources, feel free to ask it. -- Hoary (talk) 01:50, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
👀Gremista.32, You seem to be adding sources which are either not reliable or else do not support the statement which they follow. That's why so many of your edits get reverted. Please read Citing sources, along with the pages it links to, in order to properly add source citations to Wikipedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 22:50, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Is there a question?[edit]

 2600:1700:5DD0:7960:2C43:4437:19C8:B5BD (talk) 20:17, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

You provide the question, my friend, and we'll provide the answer (so long as it relates to problems in editing Wikipedia)! Nick Moyes (talk) 14:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


Are there any way to see and article you have to pay to see? 2603:301B:2702:AE00:4154:77D0:4AF7:7393 (talk) 20:42, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. You do not have to pay any money to Wikipedia to view an article. 331dot (talk) 20:43, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, IP user. If you are talking about a reference in a Wikipedia article that points to a paywalled source, you can ask at REX, and somebody may be able to help you see it. If you are asking about something not connected with Wikipedia, then I'm afraid we can't help here. --ColinFine (talk) 21:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
If you're a regular editor, then you may be able to gain access to The Wikipedia Library which includes a lot of works you'd otherwise have to pay to access. --Paultalk❭ 12:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


What is the "Info Box" at the top of the page, and how do I make the code? For example, At the top of this page it has the (more fancy version, but still what i'm talking about) it says "Please enter a title in the subject line, then explain your question in the box beneath it..." or whatever it says... I'm seeing if I want to write a new article, (see my sandbox) and I don't want anyone to confuse it with the huge (as in, it must be moved around on a machine, i.e. train, truck, skid-steer, etc) and commercial snowblowers. I wanted have one that said something to the likes of "not to be confused with..." or whatever. In truth, maybe I should just write it in the article itself... anyhow. Thanks for your help! Cheers, Shadowblade08 (talk) 22:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC) Shadowblade08 (talk) 22:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Shadowblade08, I believe you're referring to hatnotes. Zindor (talk) 22:34, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! Shadowblade08 (talk) 22:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@Shadowblade08: As always, if you want to see how something is done, look at the source code of the article (i.e., with the "Edit" or "View source" tab). There can also be a "Group notice" and/or "Page notice" with links to them near the top right of the page (which is where your example comes from); they are shown when someone tries to edit the page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:01, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Technical help with fixing a tracking category[edit]

Hi all, hope that you're well! I am seeking some help fixing up a tracking category at {{Peer review}} and was hoping someone could help.

In brief, an editor puts {{Peer review}} on an article's talk page and then selects what type of peer review page they want. Then, a peer review page is created.

However there are often problems with this. I am trying to implement two tracking categories so I or a future bot can fix up some uses of this template. The code is on the template but not working. My aim is:

I have been having trouble implementing them and was hoping someone knowledgable around here may be able to help :). Tom (LT) (talk) 23:42, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Tom (LT), you may be better off asking your technical question at WP:VPT, The Village pump technical questions page on Wikipedia.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:30, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Tom (LT): If I understand your question correctly: you can add the category to the current page if pagename does not exist with:
{{#ifeq:{{PAGEID:pagename}}|0|[[Category:Unopened requests for peer review]]}}
To add the category to the current page if it is not in the Talk namespace:
{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Talk||[[Category:Wikipedia peer reviews not in talk namespace]]}}
—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
It seems that pagename is Wikipedia:Peer_review/{{PAGENAME}}/archive{{{archive|}}}? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


What is the teahouse? Icreatedthisusername (talk) 03:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello Icreatedthisusername. The Teahouse is a place for less experienced editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and for more experienced editors to do their best to answer them. Do you have another question? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Cullen328, more or less. The Teahouse is a place for any editors to ask, and answer if they can. GeraldWL 12:48, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Timeline question[edit]

Hello! I wanted to ask when detailing a historical timeline, are both formats correct as follows:

1. Megalodon (Otodus megalodon),[6][7][8] meaning "big tooth", is an extinct species of shark that lived approximately 23 to 3.6 million years ago (mya), during the Early Miocene to the Pliocene.

2. Megalodon (Otodus megalodon),[6][7][8] meaning "big tooth", is an extinct species of shark that lived approximately 3.6 to 23 million years ago (mya), during the Early Miocene to the Pliocene.

Or, is one format "more correct" than the other?

I appreciate your time. Krobbyzw (talk) 09:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Krobbyzw: I think #1 is preferred. MYA is a place in time, rather than a quantity. Also see this BBC article which use the same convention.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 10:07, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Krobbyzw: Whilst Ganbaruby was quite right to point out that you give dates of a species' existence from earliest to latest, not vice versa, I would comment on poor positioning of inline citations in both examples. Far better would either be to put all citations at the end of the sentence, or place them just after each statement they support. Thus, in my suggestion below, ref 6 supports the meaning of the name, whilst 7 and 8 support the time period the taxon was extant:
  • Megalodon (Otodus megalodon), meaning "big tooth",[6] is an extinct species of shark that lived approximately 23 to 3.6 million years ago (mya), from the Early Miocene to the Pliocene.[7][8]
Does that sound better to you? I also feel that 'from' is more appropriate than 'during'. Regards,  Nick Moyes (talk) 13:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Nick Moyes: Looks like an improvement to me.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 14:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Sessue Hayakawa[edit]

Came here from Imgur, someone had posted the biography of Hayakawa. I noticed there was no credit for "The Swiss Family Robinson" (1960) I seen that when it came out (I know, that makes me old) and I could have sworn he was in it. I looked it up on Wiki and sure enough his name was there. I am not familiar enough to edit, so I thought I'd bring that to somebody's attention. (Hopefully) TIA, Gerald



I hope that is correct about the references. I ain't got time to learn all this right now. PlaceboRock (talk) 09:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@PlaceboRock: Where did you propose having it added in the article? The film is listed in Sessue Hayakawa filmography.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 10:10, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@PlaceboRock: If you were asking about adding the film to a biography on Imgur, Wikipedia has nothing to do with that site. —teb728 t c 10:28, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Need help![edit]

Hi, I just translated an article from Ukrainian Wikipedia, only now I noticed that as a result someone else's article was changed. I apologize for that. I ask the moderators to correct this error. Rosa Art (talk) 10:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Rosa Art: That's weird that it happened. I've copied the content of your article to Draft:Rosa (company) because in its current state it is not ready for the mainspace. Your draft currently has no references at all; be sure that the subject passes the notability guideline and has reliable sources to back the information up. You may want to refer to WP:YFA for more guidance on how to write a good article. In the meantime, your username currently implies a conflict of interest. Please read that page fully and make a paid-contribution disclosure if needed.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 10:21, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I have added a note to Draft talk:Rosa (company) attributing the draft to the en-wiki and uk-wiki sources. —teb728 t c 11:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Existence in other language Wikipedias does not guarantee notability for English, as standards are not the same. David notMD (talk) 12:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Being Locked Down Due to Pandemic in my Town Barotac Nuevo, Iloilo, Philippines[edit] (talk) 12:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Is there a Wikipedia-related question? David notMD (talk) 12:47, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

How would I get permission to use an image, and how would I verify that permission on the image page[edit]

How would I get permission to use a copyrighted image? and if I managed to get permission, how would I be able to show that I had permission to use the image on Wikipedia? Omniscientmoose42 (talk) 14:07, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

You having the permission means nothing because you're not hosting the image. See WP:Donating copyrighted materials. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 14:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Omniscientmoose42 (talk) 14:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Website advertised here as enthusiast website, seems more like a terrorist group of internet trolls[edit]

Wikipedia I have went to a website which I found on Wikipedia.... in the description on your website, you sent me to a website that's suppose to be a support forum... but when I got there asking for support, it's very clear that the website has been hijacked by a terrorist group of some sort, as nearly every member there starts cussing and belittling me, telling me I need to leave, all because I asked a support question.

Wikipedia can you remove this page or at least make sure people know that this website is not a safe website? You advertise it one way but when you get into the website, you get attacked because everything on your website giving info about this other website is WRONG as this comes off more like a terrorist group of sissies, rather than an enthusiast website.

mopedarmy is the page.

I will be continually contacting your team and your website until you change this, as you were the one that sent me there with bad info like it was a helpful group. 2600:1004:B092:32B5:14F2:835A:1EA3:C274 (talk) 16:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

If you're referring to the article Moped Army, the only external link found on the site goes to, which as far as I can tell is still the official site of the group and therefore belongs in the article. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience on their website and their users, but that has nothing to do with Wikipedia, and there's nothing we can do about it.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 16:25, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
IP editor, Wikipedia can neither advertise a website nor warn against it; if there is content in an article that reads like advertising, that should be changed, but I can't really see that in Moped Army. If there is criticism against them published in reliable sources that can be included in the article, but you would have to provide those sources – you can't just add your own opinions, positive or negative. If you have specific suggestions for changes to the article, you can post them to Talk:Moped Army. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 16:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
(note: the IP has been blocked for posting this same message repeatedly.) --bonadea contributions talk 17:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

How to deal with a user adding false information to an article[edit]

There is an IP user (User: who inserts false information on articles about the Conan stories by Robert E. Howard (for example Rogues in the House). Comparing his edits with the story itself (freely available on Gutenberg), one can see glaring inaccuracies (for example, an ear is not a written threat, and the story makes no mention of a roasted duck). However, this is not obviously vandalism - the user may be well-intentioned, even if he makes the article worse. What would be the correct procedure?

I've tried to write messages on his user talk page, but gotten no response. I've also made an edit to this specific article talk page, but no response yet (since I only made it a few minutes ago). I'm afraid we've both exceeded 3RR today; I will make an effort not to do that again. (talk) 17:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi – I have looked at a number of 216.66's contributions and it seems like somebody who is changing random things just for the hell of it, which is a form of vandalism (and thus exempt from 3RR). See for instance this, which doesn't only make random changes to the plot description (crocodile-infested river, forsooth!) but also removes the short description, and changes the URL to Gutenberg – the old URL was correct, but the one 216.66 inserted doesn't exist. Their talk page is full of warnings about these kinds of edits, and I'd suggest reporting them to WP:AIV at this point. --bonadea contributions talk 18:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the suggestion. I was unsure whether it counted as obvious vandalism, but I guess the fact that he's done this on various articles (not just Conan stories) is a strong hint. (talk) 18:41, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
WP:ANI might indeed have been a better place to report the not-that-extremely-obvious-to-everyone vandalism, but WP:AIV did at least cause me to deal with the issue. Blocked for a year. Thanks for the report and helping the reporter. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 18:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


How do I ping a user? Wikipidean's Creed (talk) 19:56, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Wikipidean's Creed: like this: {{re|USERNAME}} RudolfRed (talk) 19:58, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @RudolfRed: :D Wikipidean's Creed (talk) 20:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Article instructions to readers[edit]

I seem to recall that there is a guideline against using instructions to readers in articles, such as "(See below)" or "Please note XXX and YYY." Is this written into WP:PAG or was I imagining it? Elizium23 (talk) 20:09, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I did not find the guideline on WP:PAG, nor on WP:MOS. Given that Wikipedia is frequently edited, often one paragraph or section at a time, such usage risks "orphaning" the instruction when "below" or "XXX" are modified to the point that the instruction no longer makes any sense. Surely, there oughta be a guideline somewhere...--Quisqualis (talk) 20:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Elizium23 and Quisqualis: MOS:NOTE. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:54, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
It is possible to wikilink within an article using the hashtag (#) to specify the target section, but some editors frown upon this. I use it sparingly.--WriterArtistDC (talk) 21:32, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
AlanM1, hmm, thanks. This is as I recall it, but it does not seem to explicitly rule out "see above/see below", only when such language is non-neutral. Elizium23 (talk) 23:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Elizium23: We have hatnotes like {{Further}} and {{Broader}} so I don't think there's a problem with the idea of "See", maybe just the specific active word. "Please note" is similarly active, even if only referring to another (part of the) article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Photographs taken from Facebook[edit]

I'm working on creating a new biographical article. Can I use a picture of the person I'm writing the article about that has been posted on his social media accounts, like Facebook and is set as Public? Donnaocchineri (talk) 21:21, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Donnaocchineri, and welcome to the Teahouse. Almost certainly not, I'm afraid. With certain exceptions (which almost never apply for a picture of a living person), images used must be free for anybody to copy or modify for any purpose, commercial or not. A statement that a picture is "public" does not normally meet this requirement. See Uploading images. --ColinFine (talk) 23:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for answering. I can use it if I ask the owner of the profile for permission and he grants it, right? If I get the permission, should I credit it to that person's Facebook profile page then? Thanks in advance. Donnaocchineri (talk) 07:45, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
If you ask the copyright holder for their permission and they agree to give their consent, then you should upload the file Wikimedia Commons instead as explained here. However, you need try confirm that the person your asking is actually the copyright holder of the photo and didn't just upload a photo taken by another person to their Facebook account. Generally it's the person who takes a photo, not the subject of the photo, who holds the copyright over the photo. You also need to make sure that they fully understand and agree to c:Commons:Licensing and c:Commons:License revocation. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

My first article[edit]

I've started writing my first article, but I don't understand very well how to go about someone reviewing it or publishing it once it's done. This is what I have so far: Am I doing it right? Donnaocchineri (talk) 21:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Donnaocchineri An editor has added a Submit button. Before triggering a review, remove all hyperlinks from the text of the article. I suggest you remove the Influences section. David notMD (talk) 21:58, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Will do. I can just move the information to another section right? About the hyperlinks, does that include internal links too or only external? Sorry about the silly questions but this is my first article. Thanks in advance. Donnaocchineri (talk) 05:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Gaining understanding[edit]

I don't really understand Sarasotaball (talk) 21:34, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Sarasotaball, welcome to the Teahouse. What is it you don't understand? Regards, Zindor (talk) 21:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
If you are unsure how to contribute to Wikipedia, might i recommend the tutorial for newcomers. Let us know if you need further assistance, we're here to help. Zindor (talk) 21:44, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Sarasotaball: Also check out the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE RudolfRed (talk) 22:24, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

G7 an Article Too Drastic?[edit]

Hello dear contributors,

I have a question and would be grateful for any kind of help. A user has suggested that I G7 the draft for an article (SCOTT DADICH) my boss was working on and start anew now that I have disclosed my affiliation. I wanted to check with the community if me choosing to G7 a draft will result in me not being able to create a new one from my profile, how long the process of G7 usually takes, is this move too dramatic and should I try something else first? Thank you for your guidance. I aim to create a fair unbiased article and look forward to better understanding the process.

Best, Anya

--Anya Kurkina (talk) 22:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC) Anya Kurkina (talk) 22:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Anya Kurkina: Hello. Having your draft deleted under G7 will not stop you from being able to create one in the future. If you want the draft to be deleted, there would be no problem in having it deleted. Usually an administrator will delete it soon after you tag it, however it can depend on how long this may take. Usually it will not take long. Best, --IWI (talk) 23:22, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

CSD tag removed by IP address[edit]

Hello Teahouse folks, could I please get advice about a CSD situation? Recently I tagged an article for being promotional, but then the article creator removed the tag. My understanding is that the creator cannot remove it, so I re-added the tag but then it was removed by an IP address.

The IP has no other edits and I am suspicious that it is the same person who just deleted the tag while logged out. Could you please suggest what I can do about this? Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 23:26, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello 1292simon. The Criteria for speedy deletion states: "For most speedy deletion criteria, the creator of a page may not remove the deletion tag from it; only an editor who is not the creator of a page may do so.". This indeeds sounds like the creator of the article is removing the speedy deletion tag. Only CheckUser's can verify if it's the same user. However, this doesn't sound serious enough for them to be involved. I recommend to just retag and let Administrators get to it. If the removal of the tag continues, alert Administrator of the page and user at The Administrators noticeboard Incidents page. Eyebeller (talk) 23:43, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Eyeballer. Many thanks for your help. As suggested, I will retag the article and see how that goes. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 23:49, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi 1292simon. The template seems to have been removed yet again. You could try re-adding it again, but someone has connested the speedy deletion of the article on its talk page which makes the tagging contentious and it will likely just continue to be removed. At some point, any benefit Wikipedia might get from a retagging of the article for speedy deletion is going to be outweighed the disruption caused by edit warring over the tag. The IPs might may be WP:SOCKS and end up being blocked, but you may end up blocked too even if you're really only mean well. So, if you truly believe that this article should be deleted as WP:SPAM, then perhaps try asking for direct administrator assistance at WP:AN or Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam. If you're not so sure, then you might also try nominating the article for deletion at WP:AFD instead. WP:BEFORE doing so it might be a good idea to seek input first from relevant WikiProjects like WP:AFRICA or WP:PRIZE to see what some other editors who might be familiar with that type of article may think. If there's a way to WP:PRESERVE the article, than outright deletion might not be necessary. At the same time, if the community consensus is that the article should be deleted, then IPs will not be able to stop that from happening. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:09, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I nominated the page for semi-protection to stop removal while logged out. The responding admin deleted the page instead. —teb728 t c 02:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
The article has been restored a draftified instead per WP:RPP#Anzisha Prize. Since you tagged the article for speedy deletion 1292simon and the creator has posted on your user talk page, perhaps you can explain what happened and recommend that the creator to submit the draft to WP:AFC for review instead of trying to re-create the article again directly in the mainspace. Trying to do the latter will only likely lead to the article being deleted again, most likely for good. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for your help with this. I'm quite confused about how this all unfolded, but glad to see that the article has now been moved to Drafts.

In general, it seems like a loophole that the article creator can just log out to delete a CSD tag as an anonymous IP? Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 06:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

  • @1292simon: Editing while logged out is permissible and is not grounds for sockpuppetry sanctions by itself. However, removing the CSD tag of an article that a person created is not allowed; that prohibition bears on the editor, not on the account with a specific username. I would say the "loophole" is fairly minor, because a new user who pops up at a new article's page after it was CSD'd is quite obviously the creator or someone acting in coordination with them. TigraanClick here to contact me 10:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing my name![edit]

I left off one letter in my name and there doesn't seem to be any way to fix this!

Also, I don't understand how I am going to get an answer to this question.

Deena Stryker (not, Deena Stryke)! Deena Stryke (talk) 00:28, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Deena Stryke As you have almost no contributions, I would suggest that you just create a new account. 331dot (talk) 00:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Deena Stryke:, you can have your username changed by following the instructions here at WP:CHUS. Merzash (talk) 00:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Merzash Generally, if a user has few or no contributions, especially if not to articles, they should just create a new account. 331dot (talk) 00:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
331dot Thanks for the clarification. Merzash (talk) 00:47, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Deena Stryker has been registered since 2006, though. Elmssuper 04:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Doesn't look like they've made any global contributions per meta? The user could request usurpation, instructions here. —valereee (talk) 16:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Should news be on Wikipedia?[edit]

Hello. Should news about a murder, tragic as it is, have its own article on Wikipedia? I stumbled upon this page, Murder of Alex Woodworth. While the event did receive a lot of media attention, plenty of other such events take place almost on everyday, and many do receive news coverage. Surely, they can't all have Wikipedia pages. Merzash (talk) 00:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Merzash Any topic will merit a Wikipedia article if it receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how the topic is notable. That includes murders. Generally, the coverage should be widespread and not confined to the local area. In the case of the article you cite, it is one line with one source, which does not demonstrate notability. 331dot (talk) 00:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Oh, all right then. I'll edit that article. Thank you. Merzash (talk) 00:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Page creation help[edit]

Hi all I tried to make a page about the Lenovo USI pen, super small article it got rejected for copyright material and I can fix that easily enough, my question is, will the article be considered enough or is it not "important" enough for Wikipedia Thanks, Kaos KaosSquared (talk) 01:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC) KaosSquared (talk) 01:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello KaosSquared. An acceptable Wikipedia article will summarize significant coverage of the topic that has been published in independent reliable sources. Your draft has two references to Lenovo web pages. Those are not independent sources and therefore do not establish that the topic is notable. So, you need to find coverage of the Lenovo USI pen in other sources, like computer magazines or tech magazines. Start by removing the copyright violations, and then summarize what the independent sources say. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for that, I needed that clarification, Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by KaosSquared (talkcontribs) 02:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


Hello, what exactly qualifies as synthesis and what are some easy ways to detect synthesis? More specifically, the section here [1] seems to be engaging in some synthesis since the cited USA Today article makes no mention of Kevin McCarthy, nor does it state that saying 'China virus' or 'Wuhan virus' causes violence against Asian-Americans. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 03:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: When you see two sources that are combined to reach a conclusion not in either, that's synthesis (WP:SYNTH). In that article's case, I think it does qualify as synthesis, so I gave it a rewrite with better sources (Newsweek is a bit questionable). Let me know what you think.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 04:45, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: Looks great! I also said in the talk page that Newsweek post-2013 isn't really a RS, but other users decided to keep it. Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 04:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: I didn't notice the discussion. Newsweek isn't great, but when there's an AP article too, I'm going with that one. PBS works too.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!)
@Ganbaruby: I agree. One a related note, I had a question on notability. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the Post-1934 American Politics section, but I'm seeing a lot pages where a politician's vote on a particular law or bill is the only thing cited (usually from or whatnot). For example, back at Kevin McCarthy's page [2], the only source for 'Hate Crimes' is from, which simply lists his vote as "no." Shouldn't we generally avoid primary sources? And if no other RSs talk about it, is it notable? Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 05:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d: "Notability" has a very specific meaning on Wikipedia, so I'd avoid using that word for whether information belongs in articles (I usually go with "noteworthy"). But anyways, as you said, we want to have secondary sources backing up information because of due weight. I suggest you go to the talk page and get consensus there.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 05:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Ganbaruby: Seems good to me. Thanks for your help! Dr.Swag Lord, Ph.d (talk) 05:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Cn span[edit]

How do you add/remove a citation span? I've been seeing that template from other articles. Thankyou Apollogone (talk) 04:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Apollogone, are you referring to Template:Citation needed span, which is a less-used alternative to the more common Template:Citation needed? For both, you can just delete it once you've added a citation, although for the span template, you need to be a little more careful with the code. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 06:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi Apollogone. You can find some information on this kind of thing in Template:Citation needed span. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Apollogone: The key with the span template is to be sure not to remove the statement that is wrapped with it. E.g., In:
{{Cn-span|date=October 2020|text=This is the statement.}}
you remove the red and add the purple, changing it to:
This is the statement.<ref>{{Cite ...}}</ref>
I hope this helps. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: This is great thank you. I'm still familiarizing myself with the templates because there's alot. Btw, would there be any reason why I shouldn't remove the statement wrapped with a span? Apollogone (talk) 09:43, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey thanks to all who enlghtened me. Sure is a help! Apollogone (talk) 09:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Josh Gray (rugby union) page[edit]


I'm new to constructing pages and wondered if there was anything else I need to do to the page i have constructed. Looking at the revision history an editor looks like they have reviewed but I think a bot has hidden categories and added transclusions (not sure what they are if I'm honest :). I assume categories are needed to allow the page to be searched.

Any help / guidance very welcome.

Thanks MelbourneWang6727 MelbourneWang6727 (talk) 05:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi MelbourneWang6727. I did some minor cleaning up of the article, but the Josh Gray (rugby union)#Early sporting achievements and education still needs more sources and a bit of rewriting to remove some of the puffery in the first paragraph. Try rewriting things in a more neutral tone. Since I don't know really anything about the sport of rugby union, I've asked the members of Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby union to take a look at it and give it a more thorough assessment. However, it's not a bad first effort and you might want to consider joining WikiProject Rugby union or even Wikipedia:WikiProject Rugby league if that genre of article interests you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:42, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

How to tag my article[edit]

As most of the Teahouse editors know, I am a new editor who has just been autoconfirmed. I am looking to get my first article (Draft:Karikku published in my first attempt and am really thanfkful to the experienced editors for the help A section showed me that I should tag my article to improve my chances for a faster review. Can you please advise me how to do it, or you may do the needful yourselves. I am in no hurry Assassin7177 (talk) 05:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC) I just spotted a new issue Draft:Karikku_YouTube_Channel discusses the same topic as my (Draft:Karikku. But the first one was declined. So will it reduce my chances for success — Preceding unsigned comment added by Assassin7177 (talkcontribs) 05:16, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Assassin7177: That section tells you to give WikiProject tags on the talk page. I've gone ahead and added WikiProject India and WikiProject YouTube at Draft talk:Karikku. This lets editors involved in those WikiProjects to see that there's an article relevant to them that needs reviewing, hopefully getting you a faster review. There's a lot of pending drafts to review, so be patient! The other draft will not reduce your chance for success; the only thing that matters is how well you've written your draft.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 05:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Jennifer Lopez Preview Page Wikipedia[edit]

When I did a yahoo search for Jennifer Lopez and it pulled up the Wikipedia preview page, it only listed ONE of her children, Emme. Max's name needs added to the preview page, so who can add his name to this preview page? ProChoiceLiberal (talk) 05:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@ProChoiceLiberal: Wikipedia has no control over what information shows up on Yahoo or any other search engine. The page we have at Jennifer Lopez does not list any of her children's names (WP:BLPNAME).  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 05:43, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
ProChoiceLiberal, I checked Lopez's Wikidata page, since search engines sometimes draw from there, and it lists Max. So there's nothing more for us to add.
As a matter of general internet literacy, Yahoo search may not be the best search engine—Google search is generally considered much better. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 06:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Per WP:BLP we avoid naming non-notable relatives, particularly if they are minors. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:54, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft feedback?[edit]

Hi everyone, I have a short Article that I will probably be submitting to AfC soon. I would love any feedback or edits you might have over on the draft or its associated Talk page. I'm a pretty new editor so apologies if it's a little funky. [3] TheMusicExperimental (talk) 05:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC) TheMusicExperimental (talk) 05:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

My first reaction is to wonder how your subject meets Wikipedia:Notability (music). -- Hoary (talk) 06:12, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Hoary, see Draft talk:Yazmin Aziz (musician). {{u|Sdkb}}talk 06:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
TheMusicExperimental, I made a few copy edits and added some categories, but overall that page looks perfectly ready for mainspace. You can choose to submit it through AfC if you want, but since the subject is clearly notable (which is the main thing AfC reviewers are checking for), I'd just move it directly to mainspace as soon as you're satisfied with it (it'll still receive a review from a New Page Patroller). Nice work! {{u|Sdkb}}talk 06:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Sdkb!TheMusicExperimental (talk) 13:36, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Given that Draft:Yazmin Aziz (musician) is your first attempt at creating an article, I disagree with the advice to move it to mainspace directly. Going through AfC will take time for a review (as short as days, but sadly, as long as months), but better that than you move it to main and risk a New Page Patroller nominating it for Article for Deletion. Surviving AfD can be harder than dealing with a Decline at AfC, whereas succeeding via AfC supports article credibility. David notMD (talk) 11:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

That's sounds like great advice David notMD, I'll do it that way. TheMusicExperimental (talk) 13:36, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


Ummm there is a user with the user name MinecraftKitty it appears to be compromised by someone I believe an admin should take action. (If you don't see anything weird just check the contribution page of the user)

User:MinecraftKitty  Creed (Assasination contract me)

That user last edited in 2017. 331dot (talk) 08:01, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but yet we don't know if the hacker just thought hmmmmm maybe I should vandalize a bit! Just to keep safe {re|331dot}}.  Creed (Assasination contract me)

Could you remove the part of your signature that says others can contact you for assassinations? 331dot (talk) 08:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sure but why, I'm not gonna assasinate someone for real @331dot:  Creed (Talk!)

Wikipidean's Creed Because it is not appropriate for a public forum. Thank you. 331dot (talk) 08:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok sorry for wasting your time  Creed (Talk!)

Question about Module map.[edit]

How i can Create a module map for an article? Mubashiir Channa (talk) 08:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mubashiir Channa if you mean Lua modules please see WP:Lua for guidance. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Vandalizing? Or giving opinions?[edit]

Ip user Is making weird edits that are either giving opinions on an article but in an unacceptble way or vandalizing. I'm pretty sure he is vandalizing.  Creed (Talk!) Wikipidean's Creed (talk) 09:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, they made one edit that was appropriately reverted. 331dot (talk) 09:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Images are being deleted although that are my own creation and capured by me[edit]

Hello Friends, I am creating a page which provides information about a popular game, the images i used to upload in that article were mine and i want it to be used for free for any purpose, it's getting deleted with a reason that i don't own it. How wiki editors are checking this? do they have any information about original author? this is really disappointing that my work is being declined by saying i don't own it. Sukrut5151 (talk) 09:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sukrut5151, is the picture a screenshot of the game or the logo of it by any chance? If yes, is the game copyrighted/can you share a link to the logo photo? GeraldWL 09:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's happening there but you can contact the user who deleted and prove to him that you own that image. Or maybe it had a copyrighted logo @Sukrut5151:  Creed (Talk!)

Courtesy Link: Draft:ScarFall - The Royale Combat. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 09:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Sukrut5151 Appears the image was deleted from article because it was deleted at Commons as a copyright violation. Separate issue: when editing an article, it is helpful to briefly describe what was done in an Edit summary. This helps other editors find when something was changed, and what was changed. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thank you all respected editors and Teahouse members I'll retry with your suggestions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sukrut5151 (talkcontribs) 11:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has been criticized for its uneven accuracy [source: Wikipedia].[edit]

‹See TfM›

This person's repeated attempts to criticise Wikipedia editors and then demand someone edits the article about them has become disruptive. We will not accept any more posts from this user at the Teahouse. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

"Wikipedia has been criticized for its uneven accuracy" [source: Wikipedia]. Thought for today, and tomorrow, and the next day.

The article made about my life, work and career, after 3 years, is less than 50% complete. Is there any way to contact Jimmy Wales or Larry Sanger to ask them how it is possible to finally get an article to read correctly? At the moment the article does not serve any viewer truthfully as it is inaccurate, because it is incomplete and looks shoddy. I wonder, daily, how it is possible to get an article finished without having to tolerate editor's negative attitudes.

Note: I don't read emails from Wikipedia editors as I will no longer tolerate being accused of lying, accused of paid-editing, asked for an exchange of help in return for editing, and spoken down to.

I see that areas of the article require secondary and tertiary sources. If my work is published and archived by BBC News and obviously verifiable, why does it need to be also mentioned in other sources? This was never needed in the past so why now? Oh, editors are being awkward and pedantic again. Now there's a surprise.

Does Wikipedia believe in democracy (even though it feels as though most of you are Republicans), as it feels like a dictatorship here.

"Wikipedia's community has been described as cultlike,[105] although not always with entirely negative connotations.[source: Wikipedia] Not always?

Are there any female editors out there who might not be so ego-fueled, perhaps? Contact me via my website please.EddieLeVisco (talk) 10:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

As usual here is the courtesy link Ed Gold, these questions have been asked multiple times and the answers have been repeatedly ignored. You comment endlessly about how useless the volunteers at Wikipedia are but you have done nothing to help us, if there is content missing from the article please request for it to be added on the article’s talk page here Talk:Ed Gold], being sure to provide reliable secondary in-depth sources, it really is that simple. Theroadislong (talk) 11:14, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Repeated advice here at Teahouse and on your Talk page - which has nothing to do with the sexual orientation of the people trying to advise you - is that as you are the subject of the article, you are strongly advised to not edit the article directly, but rather advised to propose specific changes, i.e., new content, at the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 11:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
User given warning for sexism. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Earlier this month User:Michael D. Turnbull made many valiant attempts on the Talk page of the article to identify references that could be considered reliable sources. The article was improved. However, appears there was a falling out, and he has moved on. Given your past behavior, I doubt any volunteer editor will take up your tasks. You were also advised that you could consider a paid editor, but that person would be required to declare being paid, and could only request changes at Talk rather than edit the article directly. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Putting an image in an infobox[edit]

Hi, when I put an image inside an inforbox, what is a no no or rule in inserting an image? Does it need to be an image from an article related to the subject? thank you Clyeana-Clyde (talk) 11:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Most common beginner's error is using an image that is protected by copyright. David notMD (talk) 11:56, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
When trying to add an image, its best to use the Upload Wizard, a template which will guide you trough the steps to uploading an image. If you want to know all of the details, you can read this very long article about copyright policy. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 11:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Clyeana-Clyde: Images in a Infobox must (almost by definition) be directly about the subject. They may not be lifted and uploaded from copyrighted sites, so for that reason I have proposed this image you claimed to be your own for immediate deletion. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nick, can you help me delete the image, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clyeana-Clyde (talkcontribs) 13:04, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

The image is marked for speedy deletion, so it should get deleted pretty soon (almost always under an hour). --Paultalk❭ 13:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Paul thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clyeana-Clyde (talkcontribs) 13:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Clyeana-Clyde: Can I ask, are you connected with the company, or know Ned Coten, or are being paid to create Draft:Ned Coten? If so, please could I ask you to read the following two shortcut links and, if appropriate, follow the instructions for declaring any conflict of interest you might have? See WP:COI and WP:PAID. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:28, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi again @Nick, thanks for responding to my inquiry. Kindly help me please to delete immediately the photo you're referring to be deleted so that the draft I made won't have a problem. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clyeana-Clyde (talkcontribs) 14:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Clyeana-Clyde: make sure you sign your posts! You can do so by adding 4 tildes. (~~~~) Le Panini (Talk tome?) 14:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

retrieving password[edit]

Hi, I was wondering how you retrieve a forgotten password if you have only your username, thanks ! Ninonbmardisson (talk) 14:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Here you go! -> Help:Reset password Le Panini (Talk tome?) 14:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


Should i rename my article[edit]

The name of my article is shown as 'Draft:Karikku'. Should I change into 'Karikku' and remove 'Draft' from it. Assassin7177 (talk) 15:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Assassin7177: No, you have submitted it for review, and if the reviewer accepts it, it will move to "mainspace", that is, the live encyclopedia, and the "Draft:" part will be removed then. (In fact, you can't move the article yourself, because the title Karikku has been protected so that only an administrator can create it.) Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Changing the username[edit]

One of my co-editors suggested that my username showed violence, a statement I truly agree with, as it was a friend who created this account for me. I applied for changing the username and was granted permission in my 2nd attempt. From then on there has been no response and my username remains the same. I checked the Wikipedia page with this information, but I am still not satisfied with the information I got. I request the Teahouse-editors to help me out. Assassin7177 (talk) 15:36, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Assassin7177, it looks promising but FWIW everyone is a volunteer and sometimes things take time. It looks like you only made the request 3 days ago. Just be patient. —valereee (talk) 16:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

New to all of this...Creating a wikipedia for my client..any suggestions??[edit]

How do I create a wikipedia for my client? Parisontitusbrand (talk) 15:54, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Parisontitusbrand, please see Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Help:Your first article - this pages both contain important details and help for you to get started. Be aware that you will still be subject to the same review process as everyone else :) Ed talk! 16:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Renaming articles[edit]

How do you rename articles? Piulin (talk) 16:27, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Click on the move button in the top right corner. You can also move it to other sections here (such as from article to draftspace). Le Panini (Talk tome?) 16:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Piulin, however, the button will only appear once you are autoconfirmed. Dylsss(talk • contribs) 16:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
ok, thanks. Piulin (talk) 18:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Piulin: If you need help with a page move, post a request at WP:RM RudolfRed (talk) 17:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
thx Piulin (talk) 18:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

mohammad bahrani long pendin[edit]

I've created the page Mohammad bahrani for almost 8 weeks but it is still pending. I am new here so can you tell me haw long it takes? is it normal? and if so how long it can take? نارا دلجو (talk) 17:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

It will be reviewed when it gets reviewed; 2 months is about average given how backlogged AfC is. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 17:27, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Link: Draft:Mohammad Bahrani
@نارا دلجو: FWIW, the fact that it was not quickly declined is usually good – that usually means that it doesn't fail on any major grounds (notability, copyright, etc.). However, having said that, I see that you have several references to IMDb, which is generally not considered to be a reliable source here (see WP:RS/P#IMDb). I would suggest removing those cites and finding better sources for the relevant statements. Also, while English-language sources are not required, as a practical matter, the lack of them can also contribute to the time to review, since it limits the likely reviewers to Farsi-speakers. Lastly, I'd encourage you to improve the references to a consistent format with as many of the important details as possible (author, title, website or publisher, date) (see WP:ERB for a quick primer on using the cite tool, which can also make it easier to get the right-to-left and left-to-right markers in the right places (cite 29 seems confused in this regard). I hope this helps. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

HELP! making a article on an underground, relatively new record label[edit]

Good day, I have a question about my article.

It is about a new independent record label Hamage Records. (see draft Previously, I asked how to submit my article for publishing. I was told the page most likely would end up being deleted. I have searched everywhere and there aren't a lot of sources on this label currently (it is understandable, as they are just starting up) except for youtube links, links to their music, and links to some interviews done by their artists. I would like to make sure this page is top notch, as I would like to help the label build a bigger fanbase. Is there anyone here who can give me tips or help me find ways to make this page more creditable in the eyes of Wiki?

Many thanks Musicnewgen3ration (talk) 18:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Musicnewgen3ration, Wikipedia articles require significant coverage in reliable sources. If there is no such coverage, the record label likely isn't notable by Wikipedia standards. This means the record label isn't ready for a Wikipedia article yet. —valereee (talk) 18:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Musicnewgen3ration, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that if "there aren't a lot of sources on this label currently" then it does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article is possible. Like many people, you probably have the misconception that Wikipedia has anything at all to do with telling the world about something new: Wikipedia is only interested in what independent people have published about a subject (that is, people not connected with the subject), and if there is little or no such material then there is nothing which can be put in the article. "Help[ing] to build a bigger fanbase" is an example of promotion, which is forbidden on Wikipedia. In the case of your label, it is probably also TOOSOON. Please do not spend any more time and effort on this, unless you can find at least three places where people who have no connection with Hamage, and have not been prompted or fed informtion by or on behalf of Hamage, have published significant coverage of it in reliable sources: if you do, you will be wasting your own time, and that of anybody who reviews your attempt. --ColinFine (talk) 18:25, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

a move button disappeared[edit]

I cannot find a MOVE button. I've been banned for 24h but it supposed to be gone by now but I still cannot see it. I want to publish my sandbox content and I need help. Thank You in advance. Jaroslaw Cichon (talk) 18:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

If you intend to move your draft into articlespace then you accept all the consequences of doing so, including article deletion (if it isn't up to snuff) and/or being blocked (if it's suspected you are a mercenary hiding their colours). —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 18:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jaroslaw Cichon. You do not have a Move button because your account is not yet autoconfirmed: it has not existed for four days. But even if you have, please do not move your sandbox to mainspace: this will be a waste of your time and anybody's who has to deal with it, because your sandbox is absolutely nothing like a Wikipedia article. It has no references, and therefore does not establish that the subject is notable; and it hardly says anything about the subject anyway. Please read your first article in order to find out how to go about the very difficult task of creating an acceptable Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 18:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Jaroslaw Cichon, You're not autoconfirmed, so you can't move pages yet, and even if you did move it, I would nominate it for speedy deletion criteria A1, because in its current form, it isn't possible to tell what you're actually talking about. Also you haven't been blocked on this account, please don't create alternative accounts to evade blocks as that can be a form of socking. Dylsss(talk • contribs) 18:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Recreate the same page[edit]

How can I recreate the same page. As a new user I wasn't aware of title line I thought that I misspelled the case sensative letters. Rockstar250802 (talk) 18:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Conflict of interest. You are related (family) or associated (boss, work, neighbor, good friend) with the subject at hand therefore your view could be reflected in the article and not what the acceptable sources report. (talk) 19:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Edits to PEROSH[edit]

Hi, I'm new! I've spent all afternoon editing the page about PEROSH and adding lots of citations - it came up with a warning before that there weren't enough references. I checked each edit as I went along. Now all the changes have vanished. What can I do about this?  PEROSH2 (talk) 18:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

It looks like you had a number of edits removed as they were made with a conflict of interest. I'd take a look at the guidance on conflicts with particular reference to declaring them properly and then making appropriate edit requests on the article's talk page. --Paultalk❭ 20:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi yes I've had a mail to say I have to make a declaration that it is paid content. It's not but I'll see if I can construct a declaration that is truthful - ie doesn't say it is paid content. I used the username PEROSH2 to make my affiliation crystal clear. I'm still trying to find my way around the system! I'm on holiday and can't spend much more time on this so if that doesn't work will give up. As anyone who looks at my edits will see, I've been adding in lots of external references (ie things not published by PEROSH) which is what the existing page has marked up as being short of. PEROSH is a partnership of national research institutes for occupational health and safety. It's vision is use of scientific evidence to inform the work of policymakers at national, European and global level.So for example at the moment scientists in the member institutes are providing scientific evidence that is being used to inform the national covid response. I guess a partnership of scientists set up to share knowledge between national institutes, work together on projects, and with a vision on use of scientific evidence to save workers lives and protect their health just doesn't fit the boxes wiki has. Will have a go at the declaration if I can navigate to the page. Alternatively if one of the wiki editors can go through and decide if they want to add in any of the external references I've cited (things like publications in the British Medical Journal on occupational health) that would be great MT at PEROSH (talk) 12:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC) .

What is a COI?[edit]

Hi! I was wondering what a COI means? I tried to edit a Wikipedia article about my grandfather (who is an artist) since it’s a stub but my editing was removed since I couldn't provide a source. Diorthecat (talk) 18:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Disregard : Conflict of interest. You are related (family) or associated (boss, work, neighbor, good friend) with the subject at hand therefore your view could be reflected in the article and not what the acceptable sources report. (talk) 19:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Diorthecat: There is some information on your user talk page about what a conflict of interest (COI) means in the context of Wikipedia. Also keep in mind that just because something is true, it does not mean that it is appropriate to add it to an encyclopedia – for instance, family members of a notable person are usually not mentioned in the article about that person, unless they are also notable (and never if there is no source for the information.) Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 20:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Titles or text[edit]

What is the style of WP concerning national football teams names/article names. Should it be a literal translation of the name from the original into English or an attempt to disregard that one not be of that nation to be included therefore to call it any particular European or South American country name such as Mexican for Mexico when the name is not in the original "can" but "co" or Brazil when it is Brasileira or Brazilian? Thank you. (talk) 19:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC) (talk) 19:35, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP, welcome. The most common name in English sources is typically the chosen title. More specific guidance can be found at WP:UE. Regards, Zindor (talk) 21:18, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Capital Punishment[edit]

Hey- I'd like to get some feedback on Talk:Capital punishment. Is there a Wikipedia policy rule against using colors in a map on Wikipedia in away that is not neutral? Geographyinitiative (talk) 19:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC) Geographyinitiative (talk) 19:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

illustrating statistics by color is not a bias. Facts are not always pretty. (talk) 20:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Geographyinitiative, I'm not sure what you're asking. Can you clarify what you mean by "colors in a map on Wikipedia in a way that is not neutral"? —valereee (talk) 21:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
As the OP says on the linked talk page, they object to the color scheme in File:Capital_punishment_in_the_world.svg, where countries that practice the death penalty are in red, countries that have statutes allowing it are in orange, and countries that ban it are in blue. While I frankly doubt that the color scheme amounts to bias, there would be a case for better accessibility to go from darker to lighter colors (or the other way around) down the list of legends. Right now, both extremes (death penalty allowed or banned) are the darkest colors, which makes it hard to interpretate for color-blind readers (to see a black and white version, go to [4] -> "contrast" tab -> desaturate page). TigraanClick here to contact me 08:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Christina Borum[edit]

I just want a wiki page. As a published author, I know I am not famous but I think that once you google my name I come up no one else. My books come up, my information comes up and that should be enough for a page right? Christina35221 (talk) 20:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Christina35221: See WP:NAUTHOR for the guidelines on articles about authors. If you fit, you can make request at WP:RA RudolfRed (talk) 20:12, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a declined autobiography here Draft:Christina Borum with zero reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 20:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately, existence is not a criteria for inclusion in WP. It is "notability" based on a specific type of information, recognized authorities that publish very credible news and information. Get the national and international press to comment about you, your industry or profession, not merely what can be self published. (talk) 20:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, not to nitpick, @, but there's no such thing as A criteria. There might be many criteria. Or ther might be A criteriON. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:08, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm sorry, Christina35221, nobody in the entire world has a Wikipedia article, not even Jimbo Wales. Wikipedia has articles about notable people (and other notable subjects). If Wikipedia at some time has an article about you, it will not belong to you, it will not be for your benefit, you will not have control over the content, it may or may not say what you would like it to say, and it will be almost entirely based on what people with no connection to you have published about you, not on what you say or want to say. That is because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a publicity outliet. --ColinFine (talk) 21:54, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

im just a kin *Sobs*[edit]

 Spazzin321 (talk) 20:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Ok, noted. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Zindor (talk) 20:44, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I'm new![edit]

I've spent all afternoon editing the page about PEROSH and adding lots of citations - it came up with a warning before that there weren't enough references. I checked each edit as I went along. Now all the changes have vanished. What can I do about this? MT at PEROSH (talk) 21:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

 MT at PEROSH (talk) 21:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

MT at PEROSH, so, it looks like you might be someone who works at PEROSH and have been assigned to write on Wikipedia about it? —valereee (talk) 21:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, apparently all my edits were removed by a user hiding behind the name 'Tradescantal'. Why does wiki allow this?[edit]

 MT at PEROSH (talk) 21:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC) (talk) 21:42, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@MT at PEROSH: Because your edits were seen as promotional.
Before you do anything else, disclose your employment on your user page with the following template: {{paid|user=MT at PEROSH|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}
After that, try to just make edit requests at Talk:PEROSH instead of actually editing the article.
If you must edit the article for some really important reason (like your boss is holding a gun to your head or something), write as if you worked for a rival company. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Canis dirus trouble[edit]

I am sorry, but I am very annoyed and worried. On the Canis page, the list of species did not include C. dirus, and when I added it as a species, I later got a notification that I may be blocked from editing if I did anything else bad. Can you help me? Procyon 2.0 (talk) 21:51, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Procyon 2.0: The word "extant" means "still around." It does not mean "extinct," which means "not around." ExtAnt and extInCt are not the same word. Dire wolves are extinct, not extant. That's why your edit was reverted as vandalism. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:57, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I agree that that was why your edit was reverted, Procyon 2.0, but I cannot see in the least why William Harris warned you for vandalism. It looks to me like a good-faith, but slightly mistaken edit. The earlier edits to Liopleurodon, Kepler-17b and Betelgeuse also look like inappropriate but good-faith changes by somebody who is keen to contribute, but rushes into editing without learning how Wikipedia works. Care to comment, William? --ColinFine (talk) 22:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I concur with your assessment Colin, and have apologised on Talk:Procyon for my over-reaction. The earlier string of escalating warnings on that Talk page were not all for vandalism, and your observation about Betelgeuse not actually being vandalism is correct. William Harris (talk) 07:54, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Patrik Krivanek[edit]

Hello, my article was not approved as my submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Can you please guide me, what will be reliable sources for me as a film director and producer? I have many articles, interviews, and film pages to prove it. Thank you, Patrik. Dracekmiky (talk) 22:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dracekmiky. You have the usual sort of problems of new editors who plunge straight into the difficult task of creating their first article without spending a few weeks or months learning their way around Wikipedia first, and improving some of our six million existing articles. See common sourcing mistakes specifically, and your first article more generally. Also, given the fact that you claim File:Patrik Krivanek.jpg as your own work, what is your relationship with Krivanek? You almost certainly have a conflict of interest, and perhaps also are a paid editor. If you are the latter, you must make a formal declaration of the fact, and understand that a Wikipedia article is not for the benefit of its subject, and most of the sources must be wholly independent of the subject of the article: Wikipedia has basically no interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves. --ColinFine (talk) 00:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


What is that one "This user has been on Wikipedia for" userbox, and does it update automatically? Le Panini (Talk tome?) 23:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Template:User Wikipedian For. Enter your start date in the parameters and it'll do the rest. Zindor (talk) 23:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Draft feedback: A Delay is Better (album by Pamela Z)[edit]

I noticed that only solo album by Pamela Z didn't have an Article and so I made a draft [5]and Talk[6] for it.

I'd love your feedback here or on the Talk page and absolutely welcome your edits. I haven't done an album Article for anything yet so I especially appreciate any experience someone might have.

Thanks! TheMusicExperimental (talk) 23:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi TheMusicExperimental. The draft you submitted to WP:AFC was accepted; so, A Delay is Better is now an article. Being accepted via AFC is usually (but not always) a good indication that the subject matter most likely meets WP:GNG and is deemed Wikipdedia notable, but it doesn't necessarily mean there aren't still issues which need addressing. So, you might want to ask someone from WP:ALBUMS to take a look at the article and assess it; generally, WikiProjects are a good place to ask for specific feedback because that's where you're likely to find editors who might be familiar with a certain subject matter or type of article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:45, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


Hi - what is the problem with the intro for the article of Fadolín?

? It says the intro is unsourced - but there are three sources, including the New York Times, a curated new music publication, and the American Viola Society.

This article is modeled on the article for the 5-string violin:

The only difference here is that it is about a six string violin.

Thank you. ZabarSafari (talk) 00:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ZabarSafari, and welcome to the Teahouse. No, the difference is in the quality and independence of the citations: and that is far more important than almost anything else about the article. I haven't looked at them all (if you formatted them as citations rather than bare URLs they would be easier to evaluate - see REFB) - but the ones I have looked at are either not independent (, American Viola Society - and the latter is annoying without a page number) or just passing mentions (NYTimes). Please see WP:CSMN. --ColinFine (talk) 00:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
None of ref 1, 2 or 3 confirm the sentence "The name "fadolín" was etymologically derived by Ljova (Lev Zhurbin) as a portmanteau of FA-DO-vioLIN). David notMD (talk) 01:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
As a subscriber to the New York Times, I am always interested in looking at their coverage of a topic. This is what they had to say about this topic: "There was also a pensive piece for fadolin (a six-string violin) ..." That is a sentence fragment, or what is commonly referred to by Wikipedia editors as a "passing mention". What is required is significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. The General notability guideline says that:
"Significant coverage addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material."
So, the draft article needs references to reliable, independent sources that discuss this fadolín topic in detail. One reference in the draft describes the word as a neologism. Please be aware that Wikipedia does not accept articles about recently coined words. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


How does WP:BLP1E apply to Sirhan_Sirhan? Charles Juvon (talk) 00:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Charles Juvon: as far as I can tell, it does not, because it fails point 3, just like the example of the Reagan shooter. RudolfRed (talk) 02:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

How can I access my rejected article?[edit]

Hello! I submitted an article recently, which was declined. Is there any chance I can access it again to make some changes to it? It tells me to go to Draft:Kateulina and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, but whenever I go to it, it mentions that my article has been moved or deleted. What can I do about this? Kateulina (talk) 02:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Kateulina: You can try asking at WP:REFUND to have it restored so you can fix it, but that request might be declined based on the reason it was deleted. RudolfRed (talk) 02:27, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@RudolfRed: Normally this is OK to suggest, but G11 deletions fall outside the scope of WP:REFUND. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi Kateulina. If you click on Draft:Kateulina, you'll see that it was deleted per speedy deletion criterion G11 by and administrator named Jimfbleak. This means that you can't access the content any longer. If you'd like more specific details as to why the draft was deleted you can ask them at User talk:Jimfbleak; however, when a draft is deleted by an administrator for such a reason, it's usually because the administrator felt that there were so many serious problems associated with the draft that it would be impossible to fix the draft so that it's in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Citation changes[edit]

If a citation URL redirects to a new URL (eg. an organisation updates its website URL although the content of web page is still relevant) - is it best to add a new citation for the new URL next to the old citation, or should the existing citation be updated to include new URL and retrieval date? There may also be updates to the associated Wikipedia text based on the updated webpage used in the citation. Gobiidae (talk) 03:02, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Gobiidae. Wikipedia doesn't necessarily delete no longer accessible citations for the reasons given in WP:DEADREF. So, in my opinion, if the "old" url is no longer accessible, then you can probably treat it as a "deadlink" and try to find an archived version of it. You can then update the WP:ACCESSDATE (i.e. "retrieval date") parameter and other relevant parameters accordingly. If you're absolutely certain that the old source and the new source are identical not only in content but in the context used and that only the url has changed, then you probably could simply just replace the url and tweak the other citation parameters as needed. If the old source and the new source are different, however, then it might be better to cite them separately. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Marchjuly --Gobiidae (talk) 07:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

My article was declined[edit]

My first article was declined yesterday. I request the Teahouse editors to lend me a helping hand by doing necessary edits for my article, as it is really important for me--Assassin7177 (talk) 04:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Assassin7177 (talk) 04:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Your draft was declined by an pretty experienced editor named DGG for the following reason: "This is a PR notice for a non notable youtubechannel. The references a re usual PR that is found in newspapers". DGG is not only an AFC reviewer, but is also an administrator, an oversighter and a checkuser. In other words, DGGs is someone who has been around quite a long time who has an established track record of having a really good understanding of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. The Wikipedia community only confers such user rights on editors that it fully trusts to do what's best for Wikipedia. So, it might be best for you to ask DGG on his user talk page to clarify why he declined the draft and what he thinks is needed for the draft to be ultimately accepted.
You've asked about this draft previously at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1081#Help me improve my article, Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1081#Help me improve my article_2, Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1081#Changing the title of an article, but what you seem to not be understanding is that Wikipedia editors can't make a subject Wikipedia notable through editing. It makes no difference how well written or formatted an article is if the subject hasn't received the significant coverage in reliable sources that it needs to establish its Wikipedia notability. While the subject of this draft might be quite important to you, it's still going to have be something that's deemed Wikipedia notable to Wikipedia's readers for an article to be created about it. It could be that this is simply a case of WP:TOOSOON and that an article just can't be created about this subject at this particular time. It might also be a case where those wanting to create an article about this subject need to start looking to look for some place other than Wikipedia to create content about it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:51, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly (talk) Thank you for your advise. I have asked DGG about it and am expecting response to come fast. But still, could you comment on my information provided without concentrating on the subject, as in that way, I could atleast be sure that my style of writing is proprer

Is it considerable as a reliable source ?[edit]

I found [7] it was an article This which was deleted because it was having promotional publications, though I found [8] from Dinesh Lal Yadav so my question is shall I consider it as reliable or promotional? as there is no bylineDtt1Talk 07:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Question-2 - if there is an article which is on a reliable source but is an interview so can it be considered as reliable, can we use it ?
If I understand Q1 correctly, DJ Felix was deleted via AfD even though it had a ZEENEWS reference, and you are now asking if a different ZEENEWS article can be a reliable source reference for a different person. Answering requires someone who knows reputation of Zee Media Bureau. David notMD (talk) 08:11, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Even if an interview is published in what's generally regarded as a reliable website/magazine/newspaper, what the interviewee says in the interview normally isn't usable. See Wikipedia:Interviews. As for Zee News, unfortunately it goes unmentioned in Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, and there's no clear and recent discussion in the archives of WP:RSN. I suggest that you ask about it on WP:RSN. My own reaction to what's said in the article Zee News (and particularly from the content of what's now its seventh endnote) would be to avoid it as a source for any material that might have political ramifications. -- Hoary (talk) 08:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

New York Times articles (pre 1970's)[edit]

Hello! I am doing research on a topic that is discussed in older New York Times articles (pre 1970's). I can see some of the preview text and the date, but I cannot see the author's name. It seems that only current subscribers can see the author's name. Are there editors who are NYT subscribers that can look up the author information? This must be a frequent problem. The Times is such a valuable resource for citation. Thank you! Thriley (talk) 07:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Thriley. You can try asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject New York City or Wikipedia:WikiProject Newspapers and perhaps you'll find someone who has access to the NYT's archives. You might also want to consider asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I will consult those pages. Best, Thriley (talk) 08:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


How to revert someone's edits; I mean how can I revert someone's edits which appear disruptive? And How to use and enable Twinkle to my account Abhishek Kasaudhan 123 ( talk) 08:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

How to revert someone's edits: Help:Reverting. You can enable Twinkle in your Preferences, section "Gadgets". Victor Schmidt (talk) 09:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Abhishek Kasaudhan 123: Remember to include a good edit summary when you revert someone! For Twinkle, if you don't revert for vandalism, the gadget will have a pop-up asking for your edit summary.  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 11:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi there; I'm still a bit confused about one thing that sometimes while reverting someone's edits, I saw people mentioning something like this, "Undid revision 95836362 by XYZ." So, do they manage to it manually/on their own; or some special tools help them. In addition to, if there are such tools, then how can I enable them to my account and use them for reverting disruptive edits? Abhishek Kasaudhan 123 ( talk) 13:16, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Trying to understand whether or not it's okay to use a company logo or not[edit]

Hi all! So I've recently started developing the page Stonewell Cider. I know it's a long way from finished, but I have plenty of stuff that I'm going to tack on in the coming weeks before I submit it for publication. My question is whether or not I can put its logo on the page or not. I read WP:LOGO but honestly couldn't really make heads or tails of it. Thanks in advance! Xx78900 (talk) 10:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Xx78900 Hello and welcome. As I understand it(and you might wish to wait for some other opinions), company logos can be used as fair use, but must be uploaded to Wikipedia directly and not Commons(where fair use images aren't allowed). 331dot (talk) 10:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
331dot Thanks for the reply! I think I'll upload the image then as the page remains only a draft for now anyway. If someone comes along with a good reason for deleting it, I'll do so. Cheers! Xx78900 (talk) 10:56, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Xx78900: Please see WP:DRAFTS#Preparing drafts for more details, but non-free content cannot be used in drafts. If you add such a file to a draft, it will be promptly removed per non-free content use criterion #9. My suggestion to you would be to first get the draft you're working on approved, and only then start worrying about adding a logo for the company to it. It's matters not whether the draft has a logo in it; it only matter whether the company you're trying to create an article about is deemed to meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Indeed, Xx89000. Your question is like "Please tell me how I can build a turret on this house that I haven't yet found a plot of land to build it on. --ColinFine (talk) 12:54, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Xx78900 By the way, Draft:Stonewell Cider goes to your draft whereas Stonewell Cider does not. And, in my opinion, minor/local organization awards do not contribute to notability in the Wikipedia sense of the word. David notMD (talk) 14:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Donald Trump[edit]

Your write up about Donald Trump seems very negative compared to Barack Obama or Joe Biden. Why is that? (talk) 10:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles on Wikipedia are not positive or negative, they simply summarize what independent reliable sources say about the topic. If you have changes to suggest that are sourced to independent reliable sources, please offer them at Talk:Donald Trump. Note that Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias; the sources are presented to the readers so they can evaluate them and judge them for themselves. 331dot (talk) 10:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Articles on Wikipedia are not SUPPOSED to be positive or negative. Articles on Wikipedia are also written by human beings who, with the best of intentions, will still at least HAVE their individual biases and beliefs. I haven't read the articles in question here, but I hope no reasonable person would think that positivity/negativity could never happen in Wikipedia. Uporządnicki (talk) 13:19, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
AzseicsoK I should clarify that the intention is that articles are not positive or negative- and if the OP feels changes are needed that enhance that goal, they should propose them. However, if coverage in independent reliable sources is "negative", any Wikipedia article about the covered topic will be "negative" as well, irrespective of the biases of the editors. Article content will not be whitewashed. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
331dot, I also note now that you DID make clear from the start that " ... Wikipedia does not claim to be free of bias ...," a caveat that I overlooked when I first looked to comment. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:07, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Need general advice about adding a character image[edit]

Hello! I have been busy rewriting the page Lloyd Garmadon in the hope of raising the article class from Start to GA. I would like to include an image of the character, but as I have never done this before I am concerned about copyright. There is an image of the character in Wikimedia Commons (File:Lloyd.webp) but it has been nominated for deletion. Should I attempt to find a suitable free image or avoid adding an image altogether? Any general image advice would be very much appreciated. Thank you so much! Fieryninja (talk) 10:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Fieryninja. Wikimedia Commons doesn't accept any type of fair use per c:COM:FAIR; so, unless the image you want to use can be verified to meet c:Commons:Licensing, it will be near impossible for Commons to keep it. Wikipedia does, however, accept certain types of fair use content uploaded locally as non-free content; however, the policy on using such content is quite restrictive. For fictional character images, it kind of depends on the nature of the character. If the character is basically the same appearance as the actor who is playing the part and the actor is still living, then it can sometimes be hard to justify using a non-free image because a free-equivalent image of the actor from around the same period of time is simply often considered acceptable to serve the same encylopeadic purposes as a non-free one per WP:FREER; however, if the character appears in special make up or in a special costume, then sometimes a non-free image of the actor as they appear in character is allowed. For the most part, non-free images of animated characters tend to be allowed since basically there's no way for a free equivalent to be created or found absent the original copyright holder of the character doing so. Such images are generally OK as long as they are used for primary identification purposes either a the top of or in the main infobox of a stand-alone article about the character, but much harder to justify when they are used in other articles or in other ways. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

What to do with dead links?[edit]

What would be the first action taken when seeing permanent dead links? Should it be removed immediately or taken care of in an alternative way? And si there a difference between "broken" and "dead" links? Apollogone (talk) 10:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Apollogone (talk) 10:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Links taggged as permanentely dead should not be removed. Instead, they should be replaced with an alternative link that is working and supporting the content in question. AFAIK the terms "broken" and "dead" are often mixed up, howewer, "dead" is used to adress more permanent failures, while "broken" referes to links that are temporarely unavailable due to server overloads, temporary server misconfiguaration (such as expired SSL certs) or similar reasons. Victor Schmidt (talk) 11:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Publishing A Page?!?[edit]

Hi, I am looking to publish a page that has been in my drafts for about a week now. I do not have a publish button, although I have been on wiki for some time now. How do I get the page reviewed and published?

Do I need to allow more time? Correctioncontributer (talk) 11:57, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Correctioncontributer Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I have added the appropriate information to your draft to allow you to submit it for a review. However, if you were to do so, I think that it would be rejected. This is because it does little more than tell of the company and what it does. Wikipedia articles (not just a "page") must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Brief mentions, name drops, announcements of routine business, interviews, and other primary sources do not establish notability. Please see Your First Article for more information.
If you are associated with this company in some way, please read about conflict of interest and paid editing for information on formal disclosures you could be required to make. 331dot (talk) 12:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi Correctioncontributer. Drafts aren't automatically published; you either (1) need to do so yourself or (2) submit the draft to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review. I wouldn't suggest you try and do (1) unless you've got an established track record of creating viable articles. Lots of new editors try (1) only to see their work tagged or nominated for deletion (sometimes rather quickly) because it's not considered to meet the basic criteria for a Wikipedia article. So, (2) might be your best option since it will given an experienced AfC reviewer a chance to look over the draft and assess whether it has what it takes to be a viable article. If the reviewer feels it does, they will move the draft to the WP:MAINSPACE; if not, the reviewer almost always explains why and sometimes even suggests things that need to be approved. Having a draft declined by a reviewer is not the end of the world and you can resubmit for another review again as long as you don't keep resubmitting the same declined version. Since you're draft seems to be about a company, you might want to look at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) for some general idea as to what types of things an AfC reviewer is going to be looking for when they assess the draft. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:12, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Extinct or extant[edit]

Hi, it is me again, Procyon 2.0, with another question. I know the difference between extant and extinct, extant meaning in existence, and extinct meaning the opposite.But how do I mark a species as extinct? Procyon 2.0 (talk) 12:24, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Procyon 2.0: this is about your edits to Canis, yes? The point is that you added the species to a list headed "Extant species". It would need a separate heading "Extinct species". I don't know if there is a special way to do that: you'd have to look at Template:automatic taxobox. --ColinFine (talk) 13:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
The dodo is (famously) extinct. Go to the article dodo, prepare to edit it, look in the infobox, copy the relevant property–value pairs, copy them into the article you want to edit, get your browser to go back from editing dodo. -- Hoary (talk) 13:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

SandBox Content[edit]

Hi Teahouse, I would like to ask your guidance on what to write in a sandbox? maybe you can share some samples.

Thanks Dil Dilthor (talk) 13:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

The point of the sandbox it to write, or do, whatever you want with it. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 13:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
However, its a good place to start draft articles before they are submitted for review. Wikipedia:Requested articles is a place where articles are sorted into a category, so pick one that interests you. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 13:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
But keep in mind that certain policies, such as copyright and harassment, still applies to the sandbox. You shouldn't also take benefit of the sandbox to make Wikipedia a promotional or social media platform. GeraldWL 13:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I use my Sandbox to be sure that I have properly created a reference before pasting it into an article. And if I intend to revise a section of an article, I copy it into my Sandbox, work there, then paste back. David notMD (talk) 14:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Grammar Flaws[edit]

When one of the most important issues in Wikipedia is related to grammar issues, and many articles have clear grammatical flaws, why correct these flaws faced the reverted and the message of managers to not correct these flaws? Arvinwikiedit (talk) 14:09, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

While you did fix some grammatical issues, you did introduce wording that wasn't correct in some cases. Instead of manually going through and fixing the changes, the users just revert the whole thing. Le Panini (Talk tome?) 14:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
You have been advised on your Talk page that in many instances the grammar or spelling was correct before your changes, or there may be a choice, with both corrrect. For example, see Serial comma. David notMD (talk) 14:50, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[edit] This is my first article which I am currently working on. Could someone help me build up this page. It's a very important website that deserves a page. Nosecone6133 (talk) 14:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Nosecone6133. Absolutely the first thing you need to do, before you write another word, is find at least three places where people who have no connection with TFWiki have chosen to publish a signficant amount - at least a few paragraphs - about it in places like major newspapers or books from reputable publishers - no fan-sites, wikis, or blogs, and nothing self-published. If you can do that, then you can write an article, by forgetting everything you know about the site and summarising what these independent commentaries say about it. If you cannot find three such sources, then the site does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and any further effort you spend on it will be a waste of your time. If you haven't already read your first article, that would be a smart move. --ColinFine (talk) 14:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

My article gets rejected again[edit]

What do i have to do to register a new page, concerning real businesses, and institutions that operate in my city Tirana, Albania ? Brenton Kotorri (talk) 14:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)