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October 24[edit]

What is the procedure for removing a UPE Tag and redirect?[edit]

Hello. A user (Ear-Phone) created a new article about a guitarist by the name of Rocky Kramer. I apparently saw it right after that user made the article public. I read it and thought it was a good article, but needed some additional work, which I am willing to do. However, within moments another user (TruthGuardians) marked the article as spam, which was changed by AnomieBOT and then moved the page to draft and redirected Rocky Kramer to Draft:Rocky Kramer. TruthGuardians did not post anything on the talk page explaining why he or she believed the editor might have been paid. Ear-Phone posted a message on the talk pages for both the article and TruthGuardian, who has not responded. I posted a message asking whether any evidence exists to support TruthGuardians' actions. I don't know who Ear-Phone is and I have nothing to do with him or her or the Rocky Kramer, other than liking his music. I would like to know how to remove the UPE tag and redirect without violating any WP rules. I also don't know who TruthGuardians is or why he or she put the tag there in the first place or how to correct it. Can someone tell me how to revert these actions properly, so I can help improve the article? --Warriorboy85 (talk) 03:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

This is about Draft:Rocky Kramer.   Warriorboy85, you can help to improve the draft as it is (I have just made a minor change to it myself.) Maproom (talk) 06:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you Maproom! I will help as well. I added a request edit template hoping to get the article restored and the UPE template removed. Do you have any insight as to how to get that to happen? Good edit by the way! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 07:20, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@Warriorboy85: if the possible paid editor either makes the required "paid" declaration or explicitly denies being compensated in any way for contributions to the article, then you or any other editor can remove the UPE tag. Be sure to describe your reason in the edit summary and possibly on the article's talk page as well. The only other legitimate way to remove the tag would be to remove all remaining traces of the original contributions and start over. If you are forced to do that, then explain why on the talk page. In an excess of caution, you should probably make the same explicit declaration of a lack of COI on your own user page or user talk page that you made here, just to remove all doubt.-Arch dude (talk) 17:34, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@Arch dude: Thank you very much for letting me know how to properly remove the UPE template, which I have now done. The user who put the template there also put it in draft mode. See Draft:Rocky Kramer and redirected the original article to the Draft article. Can you possibly tell me how to correct that? Thanks again. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 02:48, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Warriorboy85: At this point I think your best move is simply to submit it for review, as silly as that sounds. just place {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page to get a "submit" button, and then click that submit button. put a brief description of the history of this mess on the talk page. The reviewer will take care of the redirect situation. (A help page denizen with more knowledge of the review process may step in here with better advice.) -Arch dude (talk) 03:35, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Arch dude: Well, thank you once again. I previewed the "submit" button, but noticed it says it may take three (3) months before anyone can review it. That may be the only answer, but I would like to see if there's another way to take it active again in order to avoid a long wait. The redirect seems to be gone now, so perhaps it can be restored using another method. I too hope a help page denizen can offer a more expedient way to restore the article to active life. I do thank you very much for your very helpful advice on this strange situation. --Warriorboy85 (talk) 06:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Arch dude:Actually, I tried just moving it back and that worked! Again, thank you to everyone for the help! --Warriorboy85 (talk) 06:28, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Gender differences in the human brain[edit]

In gender the important brain is different. The ROIs that are significant at the 0.05 level in the gender variable was examined. For women, the left parahippocampal gyrus, right parahippocampal gyrus, right hippocampus, and left hippocampus were significant at 0.05 level. These areas were more significant for women with AD, and the most important area for women was the right hippocampus. For men, the right parahippocampal gyrus, right hippocampus, right superior temporal gyrus, and left superior temporal gyrus were significant at 0.05 level. This means that these areas in men are more important for AD and the most important area in men is the right parahippocampal gyrus. The importance of significant areas at 0.05 levels has been compared across the whole population, both in men and women (1).

1. Rezaei M, Zereshki E, Shahsavari S, Salehi MG, Sharini H. Prediction of Alzheimer’s Disease Using Machine Learning Classifiers. Disease and Diagnosis. 2020 Sep 30;9(3):116-20. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ehsan989 (talkcontribs) 05:53, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ehsan989: Sir, this is the Help Desk. Did you have a question to ask about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:18, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
@Ehsan989:If this is intended as a proposed addition or change to an article, then please make this proposal in a new section on the talk page of the article. Add the magical incantation {{request edit}} to summon an editor to actual review your proposal and make the change. -Arch dude (talk) 17:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Who can close an RfC early?[edit]

This relates to this edit:[1]

If an RfC has been open for 6 days (in other words, the usual 30 day "expiration" is not a factor) Can an editor who have taken a position and !voted on the RfC evaluate the consensus, write up a closing summary, and snow close the RfC? Ir would any closer have to be uninvolved? --Guy Macon (talk) 06:24, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: Looks like you already have the relevant guidance from Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Ending_RfCs. If there is agreement among participants to close the RFC, then point #2 allows anyone to close it. Point #4 about an uninvolved editor is a different option. Also, there really isn't an "early" closing. The 30 days is based on when the bot will take action and you should not wait for that to happen. The actual guidance is "An RfC should last until enough comment has been received that consensus is reached, or until it is apparent it won't be. There is no required minimum or maximum duration; " RudolfRed (talk) 18:47, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Actually, we don't have an answer that both parties accept. Levivich says that WP:RFCCLOSE allows him to snow close an RfC where he has voted. I read the exact same page and concluded the exact opposite. Both of us are editors who have been around a while and try to do the right thing. One of us is wrong. (Note that I agreed with Levivich's vote and with a snow close -- my only objection is to a snow close by an involved editor.)
It turns out that while we were talking about this another editor closed it at 13 !votes for "no to all" and three !votes for "yes" to at least on of the questions. So my question about this one RfC is moot, but unless one of us are convinced we are wrong, this conflict is likely to reemerge the next time Levivich tries to snow close an RfC that he !voted on.
Let's look at each clause. Quoting from the "There are several ways in which RfCs end:" section:
"[1] The question may be withdrawn by the poster (e.g., if the community's response became obvious very quickly). In this situation, the editor who started the RfC should normally be the person who removes the {{rfc}} template."
Levivich did start the RfC but he wants to snow close it, not withdraw it. A successful withdraw means "no decision", not "no to all". I doubt that the three editors who disagreed would approve, but of course nobody asked them. (Levivich. please clarify; are you claiming that an involved editor can snow close an RfC or just that an involved editor who initiated the RfC can snow close an RfC?)
"[2] The RfC participants can agree to end it at any time, and one of them can remove the {{rfc}} template."
Nobody has polled all of the RfD participants asking if they agree to closing after 6 days or to Levivich as a closer, so this does not apply. Again nobody asked the three editors who disagree.
"[3] The dispute may be moved to another dispute resolution forum."
Not moved, does not apply.
"[4] Any uninvolved editor can post a formal closing summary of the discussion. The editor removes the {{rfc}} tag at the same time."
Levivich is not an uninvolved editor, so this clearly does not apply.
"[5] The discussion may just stop, and no one cares to restore the {{rfc}} tag after the bot removes it."
This is about Levivich wanting to snow close it after 6 days, not about doing nothing and waiting for the bot to remove the tag after the usual 30 days, so this clearly does not apply.
So, is my reasoning above correct? As I said, we are both experienced good-faith editors who are having a polite disagreement about what is and is not allowed under WP:RFCCLOSE.
Levivich, do you have a counterargument? It may very be that my reasing is flawed. Please convince me. --Guy Macon (talk) 23:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
My reading of RFCCLOSE is that it permits any participant, including the initiator, to end an RFC and implement the result (including but not limited to a WP:SNOW close, with or without a closing statement), as long as the RfC participants agree, and it encourages participants (#2), rather than uninvolved editors (#4), to end RFCs whenever possible. Lev!vich 02:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I think @Guy Macon:'s analysis was perfect. @Levivich:, the problem is the agreement of RFC participants was missed - and even if we would be lazy and would not demand a confirmation from all the yes voters - at least the from opposers consent should have been gathered. I have to also add after your question whether anyone object closing was raised, per Wikietiquette at least two days should have been waited, since some editors does not live their lives in this platform 0-24, but given the number of participants and the weight/history of the issue, even minimum one week (I even faced with everything now, without the ability to even express an opinion). Btw, as an uninvolved user closed it finally, the responsibility goes to him @Pincrete:.(KIENGIR (talk) 05:01, 25 October 2020 (UTC))
Here is where I asked participants if they agreed. I took no further action. I'm not sure why you refer to a "problem". There is no problem. I didn't close it without agreement; I didn't close it at all. Another, uninvolved editor closed it, and an uninvolved editor doesn't need the participants' agreement to close it. I sought participants' agreement for a #2 close under RFCCLOSE, but a #4 close happened instead. Either way, there's no problem. Lev!vich 05:13, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
I don't think Levivich did anything wrong. This isn't about that. It is about a good faith disagreement concerning policy. Levivich and I are both trying to do the right thing.
Is asking "does anyone object" and waiting three days really the same as getting everyone to agree? I would argue that some people !vote on an RfC and then move on without watching as other people comment. I know that I often do. Should we at the very least send out talkpage notices?
Does the usual three day wait after asking "does anyone object" even apply to a snow close? There are a bunch of snow closes where the closer didn't even ask "does anyone object", much less wait three days.
What about Wikipedia:Snowball clause#A cautionary note? It says "...because discussions are not votes; it is important to be reasonably sure that there is little or no chance of accidentally excluding significant input or perspectives, or changing the weight of different views, if closed early"
This of course a basic rule of RfCs; the closer is supposed to evaluate the responses and may very well rule against the majority if the closer thinks the minority had a good, policy-based argument and the majority didn't. So do we really want to trust a proponent who took a strong position when posting the first !vote to be impartial in evaluating those who disagree with them? I would not trust my own judgement in that situation. I think it likely that even if the involved closer tries to be fair they could have an unconscious bias. And of course our policy isn't just for reasonable good faith editors like Levivich. What if a troll posts an RfC and then closes it early?
To me, closing your own RfC is a bit a a "fox guarding the henhouse" or "don't ask a realtor whether this is a good time to buy a house" situation --Guy Macon (talk) 05:41, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Guy Macon:, I did not say @Levivich: did about that wrong (I just told him the problem is his question was ignored), I said the responsibility goes to the closer, since if he reads an editor asked about closing, he should have waited for a reasonable time for inputs. It is not evident if it was a Snowclose or not, even if it could be, since the above interpretations more of us concluded possible outcomes without referring to that, and snowball close is not a policy, so indeed the closer could take into account the question the other user raised about closing. Your last sentences I don't understand in connection what you are telling, since an uninvolved editor acted in the end, and evaluating possible answers is not necessarily dependant on any editors stance, just a comparison/evaluation of answers of users, in other words, if anyone would bias it, it could be noticed and undone.(KIENGIR (talk) 07:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC))

The role of Hon. B. E. Dwira in the CPP (CONVENTION PEOPLE'S PARTY).[edit]

Misplaced biography of B. E. Dwira

The role of Hon. B. E. Dwira in the CPP (CONVENTION PEOPLE'S PARTY). Hon. B. E. Dwira (Benjamin Emmanuel Dwira) was the Ashanti Regional Chairman of the CPP, even before the demarcation of the Brong-Ahafo region in April 1959. It was during his regional chairmanship and leadership in Ashanti, that the civil unrest broke out between the CPP and the break away group that largely formed the NLM (National Liberation Movement), as "ya te yeho" or "ma te meho" (literally, "we have broken away" or "we have segregated/seperated ourselves" or "I have segregated/separated myself". This led to more brutal, dastard, brazen attacks from the NLM as opposition so-called, against the CPP, particularly in Ahanti Region. Many CPP activists as "Action Troopers", were killed by the NLM functionaries. Hon. B. E. Dwira, personally laid to rest at least 47 out of the 49 CPP "Action Troopers" killed by the NLM functionaries.

There were more widespread killings perpetrated and committed by the NLM functionaries against the the CPP party members at various locations in Ashanti region, some of which Hon. B. E. Dwira could not get to the bereaved family to help lay the dead to rest. Hon. B. E. Dwira's house was bombed or dynamited by the NLM functionaries, and his publishing company that published and printed the "Ashanti Sentinel"; a newspaper that he founded to promote the CPP and Prime Minister Osagyefo Dr. Kwame Nkrumah's ideologies, programmes, policies, and projects for Ghana (then Gold Coast) and Africa was bombed and burnt to the ground by the NLM functionaries.

So much harm and hurt and mayhem did the NLM cause the CPP in Ashanti region that most of the CPP members fled Ashanti region to other towns, villages and cities, in other parts of the country where they were known as "refugees". It was at the height of these political disturbances, disputations, disruptions, destructions and killings perpetrated by the NLM against the CPP members that the 1956 general elections was held to determine which party should lead the country into independence.

Hon. B. E. Dwira, organised the CPP "refugees" on the eve of the election day to come in buses and vans and trains to Ashanti Region and vote and after go back into hiding if they feared for their lives. The CPP won 8 out of the 21 seats in the elections thereby denying the NLM of the 2/3 (two-thirds) majority in Ashanti region that they had hoped to win; a condition set by the British government to determine the popularity and favourite party to lead the country into independence. On the national level the CPP won 71 majority out of the 104 seats inclusive of the 8 seats in Ashanti region.

The CPP was given the mandate to lead the country into independence which happened the following year on 6 March 1957. The Prime Minister of Ghana, Osagyefo Dr. Kwame Nkrumah, was full of gratitude and praise to Hon. B. E. Dwira for the brave leadership and chairmanship that he exhibited and demonstrated to help the CPP win the general elections thereby paving the way for Ghana's independence. A photograph of Kwame Nkrumah congratulating and thanking Hon. B. E. Dwira for the no mean feat was taken at the house of Parliament in Accra after the election results were declared.

A ballad was also composed in honour of B. E. Dwira dubbed "OKOKODUROFO DWIRA" (BRAVE DWIRA), which was played on air at the Ghana Broadcasting Corporation, during every independence day celebrations and occasion. Hon. B. E. Dwira, was appointed the first Mayor of Kumasi (then called Chairman of Kumasi City Council) soon after independence in 1957. There are many other positions that Hon. B. E. Dwira held both at home in Ghana and abroad under the CPP led government and political administration.

He died on 28 March 1985 having contributed so much to his dearly beloved country, Ghana. He was born on Sunday, 19 September 1909, a day after Kwame Nkrumah was also born, on Saturday, 18 September 1909. Note: Nkrumah's birthday of 18th September 1909 changed to 21 September 1909, as a result of a mistake in a later registration, which he came to accept himself, since for him it didn't make much difference to his life. More of Hon. B. E. Dwira's role in the CPP government and administration, and his general/personal life story will be supplied/published later on this website. Thank you. Courtesy:SETH_KB_DWIRA, SHAKESPEARE DRIVE, LONDON, UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:04, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:52, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Interlanguage link won't work[edit]

In a page I am creating in my sandbox (to be posted when complete) I am trying to create a wikilink to the French Wikipedia page for Aïcha Koné.

I tried two normal ways to do this, and neither one works, possibly because of the accents etc. They are:

fr:Aïcha Koné and Aïcha Koné [fr]

For now I used this, but it is jury-rigged workaround Aïcha Koné (fr)

How can I make the Interlanguage link work? Thanks.

NOTE: You can only see the characters in the two ways that I tried if you hit "edit" on my note.

FOLLOW-UP: the first one DOES work, I mis-typed it. Sorry.

Sullidav (talk) 16:56, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

For me all three work right now. Can you please specify what does not work in your case exactly? ote that the second approach, with {{ill}} is prefered in articles. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:32, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Second one with {{ill}} does not work - try its link, it goes to English Wikipedia and says "page not found". But I can use the non-preferred other ones as a workaround. Sullidav (talk) 03:36, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Merlin, Ontario:[edit]


The otherwise excellent article on my hometown, Merlin, Ontario states it was one of the last segregated schools in Canada until that school was closed in 1965. The reference for that statement are some ancient regulations on establishment of separate and coloured schools. I can find no reference in that document to Merlin. At no time in its history from the mid 1800's did Merlin ever have a segregated school and does not now. I attended public school and high school in Merlin from 1944 until 1958. There was no segregation. In fact the Merlin High School, and later Merlin District High School had numerous black students. I can send you class photos to attest to that. In addition several of the teachers were black. Please remove the reference to Merlin having segregated schools because it is not true,


Jack Peltier Calgary — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

You may want to direct this comment to the talk page of that article, Talk:Merlin, Ontario. 331dot (talk) 18:17, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for noticing this. We cannot take your word for this (we call that "original research"), but we do not need to, because the assertion is not supported by the cited source. This means that you are free to edit the article to remove the assertion. However, you should first put a new section on the article's talk page to prevent an overzealous patroller from reverting your edit, and put an edit summary on your edit saying "not in cited source--see talk". -Arch dude (talk) 20:48, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

pdf file used as reference[edit]

I have created the article Parlatoria blanchardi and have used a pdf file produced by "The Food and Environment Research Agency" as a source, #2 in the article. However, the citation template doesn't like the url I have used, stating "Check |url= value". Any help would be appreciated. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

http:///C:/Users/llwyn/AppData/Local/Temp/13223_12Appendix11ParlatoriablanchardiDatasheet.pdf is a url for a file on someone's local hard drive. |url= wants a url that is somewhere on the internet.
Trappist the monk (talk) 18:44, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, that answers the technical question, where the PDF is is not the point. Has it been reliably published? If so then cite it using a template such as {{cite journal}}. If it's available on the Internet, then a URL is an aid to readers, but not an essential part of the citation. If it has not been published, then you may not cite it, as that would be original research. --ColinFine (talk) 19:11, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Well, yes it has been published, and I found it as the fourth result when searching for "Parlatoria blanchardi" with Google. It's a datasheet published by The Food and Environment Research Agency in the UK, but when I clicked on this result, my computer asked how I wanted to open it. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:20, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Cwmhiraeth, I assume you're referring to this .pdf? It doesn't seem Adobe Reader on my Chrome can open it so it automatically downloaded itself on my computer. In cases like these you can right-click the link while on the Google page and select "Copy link address" from the context menu that appears. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I have done that and it seems to have worked after I removed the blacklisted first half. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:39, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Actually, where the PDF is is actually the point, but not all of it. A PDF only residing on someone's own private desktop hard drive is physically inaccessible from the Internet so it can hardly be used as a source. But I agree, a PDF needs to be reliably published anyway so it can be used as a source. So it needs to be both accessible and reliable. JIP | Talk 22:00, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Dr Malcolm Kendrick[edit]

Why has Dr Malcolm Kendrick been removed from Wikipedia? I have donated yearly to Wikipedia and am severely upset about his removal. Rick Ohlendorf UK — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

The article Malcolm Kendrick was deleted following this discussion. DuncanHill (talk) 21:43, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Additionally, donations don't determine content. RudolfRed (talk) 21:53, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
The donations go mostly to keep up the physical servers where the Wikipedia content is stored. None of the editors who do all the work in Wikipedia ever see a single cent of the donations. Nor should they - if they did, decisions to donate or not would be a way to influence Wikipedia content. JIP | Talk 22:03, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Old Egyptian navy[edit]

Hi I have a website for handmade models especially for old Egyptian ships, so using Wikipedia as a reference for informations and also copying paragraphs to my site would be very helpful My question is do I have the right to use your information or not. Regard Reda Soliman — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:04, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Yes, you may use the content on your website, if you provide attribution. See WP:REUSE for details. RudolfRed (talk) 22:46, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

October 25[edit]

Any templates or similar to set up reminders?[edit]

I've got an event on here that is to be addressed at a certain time in the future. Are there any useful templates/wikitext that can use the Alerts or Notices system to remind me to attend to said event when the time is right? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:30, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

IMO not, though if you want to make it with wikitext, you have to make it on a page that you are certinly looking at. user scripts are a bit more powerfull, though I dont remember seeing anything like that on enwiki. Victor Schmidt (talk) 08:28, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Victor Schmidt, ah, that blows. Thanks for the answer. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:14, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: {{Update after}} will place the article in a child category of Category:Wikipedia articles in need of updating and (optionally) a specified category after the specified date. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:40, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
AlanM1, thanks for the heads up. Alas, this is for personal use and not for articles in particular. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:11, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Maybe put the following on your user page or some place you'll see it regularly: {{#ifexpr:{{#time:Ymd}}<20201231|before|after}}, which will display before "after" on/after 2020-12-31 and "before" before then. Come to think of it, maybe someone has some reminder code that could be run from your common.js, which could display a banner on any page you view. I'd suggest searching/asking at WP:VPT. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:59, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Of course, the wikicode version only gets updated when the page cache is refreshed, so unless there's something to cause that (like an edit or manually purging the page cache), it is not a great solution. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu, would User:SD0001/W-Ping be what you're looking for? —valereee (talk) 14:14, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Valereee, this could work! I always peruse my watchlist so I should definitely see when I need to do things. Thanks so much! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Tenryuu, happy to help! :) —valereee (talk) 16:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

How does one edit …[edit]

the double-dagger footnote in the info box near the top of COVID-19 pandemic? It should say ‘Infections’ rather than ‘Suspected cases’. Humanengr (talk) 04:51, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

@Humanengr: This text is embedded in the code for {{Infobox outbreak}}, so could be changed there. However, that would affect not only the COVID-19 pandemic article but all articles using that infobox, so the change would need discussion first. It would be possible to change the template so that different articles could show different text at that point. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Self redirects in Template:Interlanguage link[edit]

How are we supposed to treat self redirects within the Interlanguage link template? For example, Minato Aqua is a redirect to Hololive Production, but the article contains {{ill|Minato Aqua|ja|湊あくあ}}, rendering as Minato Aqua [ja] instead of a red link. I don't see a way to surpress linking in the template documentation. Any ideas?  Ganbaruby! (Say hi!) 06:17, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Ganbaruby. Sounds like a feature request you could make at Template Talk:Interlanguage link. --ColinFine (talk) 11:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Can I filter recent changes by category?[edit]

Is it possible to filter list of recent changes by category? For example, let us say that some editor is active mainly in Category:Tennis. Then this user is more likely to be able to help with articles from that category - and it might be useful if they have access to recent changes to that particular category. --Kompik (talk) 10:14, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

The simple solution would be to use the related changes link on the left sidebar when viewing the category page. The more complex solution which shows changes to the articles and their talk pages would be to setup an article list, and monitor those pages by a scrolling window as per Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)/Archive_141#Recent_changes_for_WikiProjects. A number of Wikiprojects have such a page and a related window (eg. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Lighthouses#Recent_changes) ...Jokulhlaup (talk) 16:53, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Thanks I did not notice the related changes link until you pointed it out. That seems like a great solution. (And, of course, if there is a Wikiproject which has the article list as you described, that helps a lot, too.) --Kompik (talk) 17:05, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation pages linking to other disambiguation pages[edit]

I'm trying to upgrade a disambiguation page (Karakul in particular), and it's linking to multiple other disambiguation pages in the disambiguation part. It doesn't really feel right to me, but I'm pretty new to Wikipedia, so I'm not really sure about whether that's something that should happen or not. --YellowSkarmory (talk) 12:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

It is allowed for disambiguation pages to link to other disambiguation pages when the meaning is to extend the disambiguation. For example, if there were several notable people with the surname Karakul, it would be allowed to link to Karakul (surname) from Karakul. But if there is some specific individual meaning of "Karakul" that you were trying to link to but accidentally linked to a disambiguation page instead, then that should be fixed. JIP | Talk 12:56, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Question about dots[edit]

Hey I was working on List of films based on actual events and noticed most lines don't end with a dot, but some do. Is there a standard for this and if so what is it? Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 13:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any policy, but other editors might know better. My own rule of thumb is that unless the line of text forms a complete sentence, no full point is necessary.--Shantavira|feed me 15:18, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Aquatic Ambiance: Our top-level guidance is to use editorial judgement instead of creating detailed guidelines. However, many of the guidelines within WP:MOS emphasize that consistency within an article is desirable. So, please use your editorial judgement to pick one or the other and then make them consistent. -Arch dude (talk) 15:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Aquatic Ambiance: Those points are not sentences themselves, they are not parts of a sentence, either, so neither dots nor any other terminating punctuation marks are necessary. But I'm not a native English speaker, so my opinion shouldn't weigh much. --CiaPan (talk) 16:46, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Aquatic Ambiance: Some of the film descriptions on that page (e.g., those for Edison, the Man and 5 Fingers) are, in fact, complete sentences and should therefore have a period at the end. Most, however, are not. MOS:LISTFORMAT says, among other things, "Use the same grammatical form for all items in a list – avoid mixing sentences and sentence fragments as items," so I think the best course of action would be to reformat the list so that all items are sentence fragments (as nearly parallel as possible grammatically), without any punctuation at the end of each. The descriptions should also be changed so that either a capital or a lowercase letter is used at the beginning of each. Deor (talk) 17:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
@Aquatic Ambiance: Proper English grammar governs in the absence of specific guidance. Sentences are terminate by periods while clauses (like list items and photo captions) are not. If an entry in a list of non-sentences is a sentence because it is otherwise awkward, punctuate it as a sentence.

Thanks. A different question regarding the same article if that's ok: what titles should be used first with foreign films? The English title or the original, foreign title? For instance this film The Secret of Blood. Should it be placed as The Secret of Blood (Czech: Tajemství krve) or Tajemství krve (English: The Secret of Blood)? Thanks in advance Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 17:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Aquatic Ambiance: I think that, for consistency of reference, it would be best to list the title used for the linked Wikipedia article first—so "The Secret of Blood (Czech: Tajemství krve)". Usually, we use an English title for an article name if one is widely recognized, using the foreign-language title only if the film "has never been widely released in the English-speaking world". See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (films)#Foreign-language films. Deor (talk) 18:21, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Deor: Thanks. That's what I was already thinking. Will do. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 20:23, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


I am extremely annoyed that you deleted my page it was educational and informative. Please put it back up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:222A:FD01:6C69:ECB:D04F:51C5 (talk) 15:17, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Please provide more detail, this thread is the only edit from the IP (anon account) used to post here. We cannot see what it is you need help with. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 15:22, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
You may wish to read Wikipedia:Why was the page I created deleted?, Wikipedia:So your article has been nominated for deletion, and/or Wikipedia:What to do if your article gets tagged for speedy deletion. Seagull123 Φ 17:03, 25 October 2020 (UTC)


Hey how to enable previews as the link to enable preview is not working pl help — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:201:4015:8047:21D8:1381:6025:58F4 (talk) 16:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

If the link does not work, you probbably can only wipe your broswer's data for to reset that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

External website[edit]

Wikipedia I have went to a website which I found on Wikipedia.... in the description on your website, you sent me to a website that's suppose to be a support forum... but when I got there asking for support, it's very clear that the website has been hijacked by a terrorist group of some sort, as nearly every member there starts cussing and belittling me, telling me I need to leave, all because I asked a support question.

Wikipedia can you remove this page or at least make sure people know that this website is not a safe website? You advertise it one way but when you get into the website, you get attacked because everything on your website giving info about this other website is WRONG as this comes off more like a terrorist group of sissies, rather than an enthusiast website.

mopedarmy is the page.

I will be continually contacting your team and your website until you change this, as you were the one that sent me there with bad info like it was a helpful group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1004:B092:32B5:14F2:835A:1EA3:C274 (talk) 16:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

  • Note: Moped Army is possibly the Wikipedia article concerned. There is an external link to the organisation's website. (Obviously Wikipedia is not responsible for its content). Eagleash (talk) 16:28, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
On a cursory inspection of the website and its forums, I can see nothing untoward. Could the OP please tell us which of the 5 forums he posted on, and what was the title and approximate date of his post? {The poster formerly known as} (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:31, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
  • Note: OP blocked after multiple posts of the same issue. Eagleash (talk) 12:25, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Hunter biden laptop[edit]

Why isn't there any information about the Joe Biden/Hunter Biden/Biden Family corruption scandal available on your site???

Are you intentionally covering up active news stories??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8801:2F80:2071:C9D5:3365:A6BE:1868 (talk) 19:02, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

What are you talking about? See Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:15, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
There's Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory, but egad! It's missing from Donald Trump's lies. (Of course, if we tried to make a complete list, it might break the Interweb.) Clarityfiend (talk) 23:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
IP Conservapedia is always available so that you can remain blissfully ignorant. MarnetteD|Talk 23:14, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

October 26[edit]

Newbie, occasional edits: trying to understand edits query[edit]

Wikipedia/Anne Jeffries, I added a small addition to the first line of her BIO as the entry line was too short. I added she was most known for the female lead in the 1950's tv series, "Topper". I said it was a minor edit. Added description of the edit and hit PUBLISH. What I don't understand, is the edit did not show. Does it have to be approved by the Wiki board being the first line in the BIO? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talkcontribs) 03:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlackXacto: you added it inside the {{short description}} template. You should have added it to the actual text of the lede. As an exersize, please revert you edit and then add it back in the correct place. This is a little bigger than a "minor" edit. I will check back later and fix it up if you don't succeed. -Arch dude (talk) 03:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. John R — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talkcontribs) 06:02, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sir, I did not see where you are talking about adding the short text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talkcontribs) 06:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

It isn't a big deal. I'm new to this. no problem if its just left out.

 Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackXacto (talkcontribs) 06:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlackXacto: Click 'edit source' at the top of the article. You will then see a template 'short description' at the very top of the source; (this does not display on the rendered page). Remove your text from there and place it in the lead as suggested by Arch Dude. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I see "edit this page" (in Catalina), is that what I click first? Once I click it, the only place I see to add copy is within the double brackets at the top of the edit page. But you keep telling me "lead". What is the lead, but where I placed the text the first time? But it doesn't show up there. What is this "lead" you keep referring?BlackXacto (talk) 09:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

The "lede" or "lead section" is the summary introduction section with which many wikipedia articles start, if they're long enough - see MOS:LEAD. Mikenorton (talk) 09:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@BlackXacto: As you seem to be struggling a bit to get to grips with what's required, I have fixed it with this edit. Click on that link to see what has been changed. Eagleash (talk) 14:10, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Check out my view of the Wikipedia Page before I press "edit this page" at top:[email protected]/50535674822/in/dateposted-public/ Now check out what I see pressing "edit this page"[email protected]/50535531656/in/dateposted-public/ Now tell me where this lede is on the edit page? I continue to see nothing about "lede" You people must be editing on PCs, I am not using a PC.BlackXacto (talk) 03:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

BlackXacto, The lede is the text before the first section heading. It would be the sentence Anne Jeffreys (born Annie Jeffreys Carmichael; January 26, 1923 – September 27, 2017) was an American actress and singer. She was noted as the female lead in the 1950s TV series Topper. Formatting and citations removed. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:44, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Again look at the edit page i captured in the flickr link above, where do you see that sentence you keep telling me is there? I do not see that sentence on the edit pager. Look at the link i sent, please.BlackXacto (talk) 06:15, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@BlackXacto: Again, look at the sentence I quoted. It's there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
  • There doesn't seem to be an issue with the flickr link; it's clearly there. All this is now rather 'moot' as I fixed it nearly 24 hours ago. BlackXacto did you check this link as posted above to show you what had been changed to correct the error. If you are having device issues please let us know what type of device you are using (including software / browser) as someone may be able to assist. Eagleash (talk) 10:52, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Referencing a birth records search[edit]

Is there any guidance on how to reference a birth records search that doesn't have a permanent url? Hack (talk) 03:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hack, is it not possible to create an archived version of the link that would lead to the source? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:12, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Hack: For data accessed on a dynamic web site, you may need to get creative. Use the most specific URL of the lookup page, and provide the search terms you used. Example:[1] This is a made-up example, since Worldcat actually has usable record-level URLs. -Arch dude (talk) 16:38, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


  1. ^ data for "Charles Dickens" retrieved from "Worldcat IDs". Retrieved 26 October 2020.
@Hack: There is a larger issue here. Birth records are WP:PRIMARY, and your use and interpretation of them may constitute WP:OR, which is a no-no. -Arch dude (talk) 16:43, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Username and Edit source issues on my account[edit]

hello, i have recently updated a broken link with a new link through updating the same content it existed before with better quality. Its been removed in wikipage after some hours once i published. I am troubleshooting the issue but still didn't found it. Kindly help me for the same i am doubting that my username has some issue or might be i done some mistake while editing in Edit source of page. my username : loomled the link i have edited is shown below:- where i replaced this [ Wayback Archive of ; "Sunlight in a tube", World Science, 2005] with please guide me for the same best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoomLed (talkcontribs) 06:14, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@LoomLed: Your edit was partially reverted, restoring the wayback archive link (which worked) but leaving out the broken link. —teb728 t c 07:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@LoomLed: Perhaps part of the reason you were reverted was that in view of your username the other user felt you were WP:linkspaming to —teb728 t c 08:00, 26 October 2020 (UTC)


How do I delete my work — Preceding unsigned comment added by KESHA69 (talkcontribs) 09:47, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

KESHA69 I'm not sure, but WP:UNDO may be what you're after. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@KESHA69: You cannot delete your edits from the history. Each time you submitted an edit by hitting the "publish" button, you agreed to licence your work under the CC-BY-SA copyright licence, and others may have then made additional modifications that incorporate that work, so it is both logistically difficult and against our philosophy to actually delete edits as a general rule. If your goal is to disappear, you can choose to vanish: see WP:VANISH. If you have some other goal, then please tell us what it is. -Arch dude (talk) 15:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

How to add interlanguage links with a mobile phone[edit]

I've read the article about adding interlanguage links in articles (Help:Interlanguage links), and it says that to do that I have to click the "edit links" button on the side bar Languages section. But I'm using a mobile browser and there's no "edit links" button. There is no side bar. The mobile version only has a button that's supposed to lead you to the page where you can choose which foreign language of that article you'd like to go to, but on a mobile browser that button is just paled and when tapped only shows "this article is not available in other languages". What did I miss? Colathewikian (talk) 09:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't think that is a facility that is available in the mobile app, Colathewikian. I think you have to go into desktop mode (which sems to be two stages for me: first pick "View this article in browser" and then "Desktop"). Cullen328 regularly edits from a mobile, so he may be able to give you more information. --ColinFine (talk) 13:40, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
I do about 99% of my editing on an Android smartphone, and I always use the fully functional desktop site, which works just fine on my phone. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 15:31, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Editing of article's title[edit]

Dear Help desk team,

I need help with changing the title of the following site:[email protected] The notation has been changed as of October 1st, 2020. The notation now is - ECLASS. I tried changing the title but I was unable to, so that's why I wanted to ask for your help. Unfortunately I can only make changes to the text of this article. Can you please also change the spelling in the URL into ECLASS instead of [email protected] Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mina998 (talkcontribs) 10:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Mina998: Done. If you are employed by or otherwise compensated by ECLASS or a related entity, you must declare your status and refrain from direct editing of the article as a condition of continuing to use this web site: see WP:PAID. -Arch dude (talk) 15:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Saved reading Lists on Browser?[edit]

Using Wikipedia on several devices

Galaxy Pad, Galaxy Phone - which both have reading lists & ability to add to them

Can't see how you access the lists (if you can) via the web browser - Chrome on Chromebook

Thetiesthatbind (talk) 10:29, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm afraid you can't, Thetiesthatbind. See mw:Wikimedia Apps/Android FAQ#Reading lists. --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

thanks for clearing that up Thetiesthatbind (talk) 16:05, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Thetiesthatbind: You can maintain a reading list on a subpage of your user page (e.g., User:Thetiesthatbind/reading) by editing that subpage. The subpage is maintained on the Wikipedia servers, not on your local device, and is therefore available via all browsers and apps. -Arch dude (talk) 16:24, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

went to google store & downloaded the app, which works fine on the chromebook should have thought about it before - cheers anyway

but would appreciate more idiot compatible instructions on how to do what you say

Thetiesthatbind (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Thetiesthatbind (talk) 16:32, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Rename image file please[edit]

Hello, please will an adminstrator rename this image file which I have just uploaded, to correct a typo:

From: 1970 portrait of Queen Qlizabeth II by John Townsend.jpg

To: 1970 portrait of Queen Elizabeth II by John Townsend.jpg

Thanks Douglal (talk) 11:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

 Done - X201 (talk) 12:15, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Huggle Bot made reversion of my transclusion[edit]

I made the following edit on the Accounting network page to change the Big Four paragraph from a standalone paragraph to a transclusion of the introduction on the Big Four accounting firm article so that the content stays in sync and up to date. User:Materialscientist then auto reverted it with a bot/script Wikipedia:Huggle.

Before I go make the edit again only to have the bot auto revert me... can someone explain if I had actually done anything wrong? False positive by the bot? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CDB-Man (talkcontribs) 14:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Looking again, it seems that 1 minute later, he reverted his revert, so my edit now stands if I'm not mistaken (a confirmation that I got this right would be great). CDB-Man (talk) 14:52, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

How to obtain a list of internal/ external links from a wikipedia page[edit]

I was wondering if anyone can help me understand how I could retrieve a list of the internal/ external wikilinks/ hyperlinks on a Wikipedia page, particularly the page on conversion therapy. Or to see the web tree of the article page? I want to understand what currently is linked to the page as to better see current linked ideas/ potential gaps.

I know there is a "what links here" tool option, but I am essentially interested in the reverse of that tool.

Thanks for any help anyone can give! Jamzze (talk) 15:58, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

IMO such a tool has not been writtten yet. You can either :
  1. Run API-Queries until you get all (fist query)
  2. Examine the page's HTML source code (within <div class="mw-parser-output">...</div>)
  3. Let Special:ExpandTemplates expand the page's wikitext code and search within that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:34, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
See quarry:query/49357. The only thing you need to change to examine other pages is the page_title comparison on the third line. —Cryptic 17:53, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Thank you so much Cryptic! This is fantastic Jamzze (talk) 10:38, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I can't upload my interview with my sources on Wikipedia[edit]


I work for Wikipedia through Report for America. My job is to fill in news and information gaps. My manager said that I can upload MP3 files of my interviews of the sources of my topics such as Alvin C. Jacobs to their articles so that I can site my information. However, I cannot upload my MP3 files for whatever reason.

Could you help me understand what I need to do for this issues, these are my interviews alone, that I've done via Zoom, using Hindenburg to record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dante N Miller (talkcontribs) 2020-10-26T17:00:15 (UTC)

There would be little point in doing so, as interviews are not considered reliable or independent sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:07, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Don't, Dante N Miller. If they have been published, then you can cite them - though as Theroadislong says, they are of limited use as references because they are primary sources; and furthermore, citing your own work is regarded as a conflict of interest. The more general issue is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves.
If the interviews have not been published, then they may not be used in any way in Wikipedia: that would be original research. --ColinFine (talk) 17:19, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Dante N Miller: What does "work for Wikipedia" mean? Is the "Report for America" (see Steven Waldman) paying you to edit? If so, you need to disclose this. See WP:PAID. You do not work for "Wikipedia" and you probably do not work for the Wikimedia Foundation. If "filling in the gaps" is fulfill some sort of agenda, then you should not edit Wikipedia at all. -Arch dude (talk) 17:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Your manager has no idea whatsoever how Wikipedia works if he believes that unpublished interviews are acceptable sources for anything on Wikipedia. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 17:50, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref[edit] Middle name Marie! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duke4172 (talkcontribs) 18:22, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Duke 4172: I have fixed the ref errors and one or two formatting anomalies. Please note Facebook is not accepted as a source; see WP:UGC. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 18:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Unable to watch videos on iPad[edit]

On Wikipedia videos I keep getting this error message In order to view videos from this site on an iPhone or iPad, you need the free VLC app. Download the VLC app from the App Store Open this video in the VLC app Download this video I have installed app but still get error message on Safari iPad Air 2 operating system 13 — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

I can't recall seeing a single video on this site and I've been editing for over ten years. But you can go to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) to ask them. TimTempleton (talk) (cont)
Videos are rare on Wikipedia, but they do exist. See Help:Media (audio and video) for help. We have no specific help for using the VLC app on the iPad: that is an iPad problem, not a Wikipedia problem. We use well-documented open source video formats and we can only speculate on how a proprietary app does or does not work with them. You might try asking over at WP:RD/C. -Arch dude (talk) 04:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
I think that's a matter of opinion; if Wikipedia can't support one of the most popular tablets of all time, it very much is a Wikipedia problem, and your comment is kind of like "We have no specific support for VHS, that is a VHS problem, not a Betamax problem. We use well-designed video cassette formats like Betamax and we can only speculate on how a poorer system like VHS does not work with them." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 09:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
Considering that Wikipedia and the file formats it uses predate the iPad, it really is a problem on the Apple end that their tablet doesn't work with existing websites. --Khajidha (talk) 13:55, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


I repeatedly raised a question, without finding answer. Recently I created List of Oteckovia episodes and I need to copy all its content of Slovak version in the wikitable. This did not work by myself. Instead, by using Template:Episode, the English article should be completed by coping them. The Supermind (talk) 18:55, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, The Supermind, I don't understand what you are asking, and I don't see where you have raised the question before. {{Episode}} (which is a redirect to {{Episode needed}}) is for tagging some text to say that some information is incomplete or unsourced without the episode being identified. That doesn't sound like what you want. --ColinFine (talk) 21:46, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@The Supermind: I'm guessing that you are looking for the equivalent of sk:Template:Časť (TV seriál), which is used for each row in the skwiki article. I looked at some of the articles in the category Category:Slovak television series, but the few that have episode lists use a different format. I would suggest just entering the episode data using standard table syntax. You could re-create the template here, but that's a bunch of extra work to translate the parameter names to English, and I see also that it uses HTML syntax (<tr>, <td>; some obsolete, like the <center> tags) instead of wiki table syntax, which should be changed. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:29, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@The Supermind: Looking at List of Za sklom (TV series) episodes#Season 1 (2016), it uses {{Episode table}} and {{Episode list}}, which are somewhat configurable and may suit your needs. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Need Wikipedia to remove an unofficial Facebook page[edit]

Wikipedia created a Facebook page for our high school. It is not official and we would like it removed so more people are directed to our official Facebook page. How do we get Wikipedia to remove it? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:30, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia has nothing to do with Facebook pages. Wikipedia did not create the page, and we cannot help you with whoever did create it. Possibly Facebook can assist you. Meters (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
IIRC, at some point, Facebook created pages (on Facebook) by importing information from various places like Wikipedia. This was their action, not Wikipedia's, and you will need to contact Facebook if you want to remove or change it. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:42, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Is Amazon a reliable source?[edit]

I'm working on an article on a television series and I think a "home media release" section would be neat to include, as per most of the articles on movies and series on Wikipedia. There are little published sources to use for such a section, but if the pages of the various DVD releases on Amazon constitute reliable sources, a section could be written. I could not find anything about this in the MOS and I am doubtful since Amazon is an online store, but it is used a source in some articles, such as Breaking Bad (season 2). Ichthyovenator (talk) 22:48, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ichthyovenator: Usually there are better sources than Amazon to source film releases, such as the Hollywood press. Amazon sources are frowned upon because of their potential for being commercial spam. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:20, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Timtempleton: If those better sources simply don't exist, for instance if the DVD releases were long ago and simply not talked about a lot in the media, would Amazon be okay to use (I assume not then)? The information that would be cited using Amazon in this case would be release dates and in which countries the DVDs were released. Ichthyovenator (talk) 09:32, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
@Ichthyovenator: Some may consider it a non-controversial edit, but it is a way of getting a commercial link onto the site. Another option would be simply putting in the information but marking it with a citation needed template, and putting in the edit summary that the information came from Amazon but a better source is needed. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 13:39, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Intellectual Property Infringement (#DeafTalent®)[edit]

Jade Bryan (talk) 23:11, 26 October 2020 (UTC)Hello. My name is Ann Marie Bryan,aka Jade. Is there anyway to remove this link: Someone is using our trademark. This is a trademark infringement and I am the owner of the trademark.

Also, last year, I registered for that user name and someone blocked that user name. Can you please take it down because this a intellectual property infringement. I want to claim it back since I registered for it first and now have the trademark.

Please remove the use of our trademark on your wikipedia account that will likely cause misrepresentation in relation with distribution, advertising, identification, campaign, and sales of our products or services.

Thank you. Yours,

Jade Bryan

@Jade Bryan: I'm not a legal expert, but an article about a hashtag and its related movement are not trademark violations, any more than articles about Twinkies, Coca-Cola and Budweiser would be trademark violations. This is a free encyclopedia and no commercial value is taken from the trademark holder by the articles. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:17, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Jade Bryan: Also, last year, I registered for that user name and someone blocked that user name. That would be because it was discovered to be a sockpuppet of yours. It also doubles as a promotional name which is against Wikipedia's username policy. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:26, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
@Jade Bryan: Please review our policy on legal threats (WP:LEGAL). Discussions of intellectual property issues are not of themselves legal threats, so you have not crossed that line yet. However, As soon as any of us volunteers perceive something that appears to constitute a legal threat, we have no choice but to block your account from editing and direct you to interact with the legal staff of the WMF until you explicitly state that no legal threat is intended. -Arch dude (talk) 03:13, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

No legal threat is intended at this time. I am merely asking if there is a way to remove article due to trademark issue. I own the hashtag trademark and it too similar to our movement that the article. Please scroll up. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jade Bryan (talkcontribs) 04:42, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Jade Bryan: As far as I can tell, our article DeafTalent is about the #DeafTalent hashtag, it's history, and purpose. It's an encyclopedic article and makes no attempt to impersonate or benefit from the subject, nor could it be written without identifying the subject correctly (by its hashtag), just like any encyclopedia or news article about copyrighted or trademarked subjects (examples given above). Our understanding is that this type of use is non-infringing (and, BTW, usually welcomed as free publicity). If you believe otherwise, you are arguing in the wrong place, with the wrong people. Please see the WMF contact page. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:22, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Note: OP removed a link to a trademark certificate. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:26, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

That's what I wrote earlier that I came to the wrong place. I tried to delete all my posts cuz I have been trying to reach someone who could answer some concerns I have. Apparently not. I have also sent emails and haven't heard back from anyone. Clearly this page is not the right place for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jade Bryan (talkcontribs) 05:35, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Jade Bryan, posts can be deleted here if they haven't been responded to. I suggest you stop responding to this conversation if you would like it to die off. (Please remember to sign your messages with four tildes, like this: ~~~~) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:00, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Done. Jade Bryan (talk) 06:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC))

October 27[edit]

A question about WP:NOINDEX[edit]

In the article about the noindex tag, it states that it will have no effect on articles over 90 days old. But it also says that articles with speedy deletion tags will be noindexed, which makes perfect sense since these articles might have some disruptive information in them that shouldn't be seen. But then does this apply to articles over 90 days? RedPanda25 00:37, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Uploading Photo[edit]

I'd like to upload a photograph of Sparkle Moore to her Wikipedia article. The picture was taken in approximately 1956 and is widely available on the internet in different biographies of her and such. (Pinterest, Youtube, Reddit, the BlueisKewl blog, etc.) I can find no photographer listed. Can I proceed to upload it? Is there something further I can to to upload it? Or am I barred from uploading it?

Below is a link to the BlueisKewl web site with the photo.

Thanks, Ken — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kfraserryan (talkcontribs) 00:51, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Kfraserryan: No, unless you can show that it its copyright has expired. You cannot upload it under "fair use" because our criteria for this are very strict, and Sparkle Moore is still alive. showing that the copyright is expired is a mess, and I do not know how to do it for this picture. In the US, anything from before 1924 is copyright-expired, and some stuff after that that was formally copyrighted and whose formal copyright was not renewed. But most stuff is presumed to be copyrighted. Sorry. Copyright law is a disaster, but we do our best to follow the law. -Arch dude (talk) 01:47, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


The "Fix dead links" tool isn't working. Is there another automatic archive tool I can use? APK whisper in my ear 08:36, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

New York Times articles (pre 1970's)[edit]

Hello! I am doing research on a topic that is discussed in older New York Times articles (pre 1970's). I can see some of the preview text and the date, but I cannot see the author's name. It seems that only current subscribers can see the author's name. I understand that many older articles do not have bylines. Are there editors who are NYT subscribers that can look up to see if there is author information? This must be a frequent problem. The Times is such a valuable resource for citation. Thank you! Thriley (talk) 09:04, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Thriley: I have a subscription. Can you provide the link please? APK whisper in my ear 09:11, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources[edit]

Link: Draft:DJ Sly (edit | [[Talk:Draft:DJ Sly|talk]] | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi I posted an article recently but it has been moved to draft for these reasons: "does not have enough sources and citations as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources". How do I get the right sources? My sources are primarily from websites ad published articles.

Tims178 (talk) 09:31, 27 October 2020 (UTC) Tims178

Md Perwez Siddiqui[edit]

I created a article named Md Perwez Siddiqui with citation of all the sources of newspaper as well as the link of books also provided in this article. And also Mr Md Perwez Siddiqui is a notable person in India as he is doing politics and also demand the reservation for Muslims of Bihar in India. and I think his name should be on Wikipedia as the people know the facts about him and know about his life history. Request you to please consider this page and publish on internet. I attached here all the wiki details as I worked on article. Thanks.

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Md Perwez Siddiqui
Md Perwez Siddiqui
EducationBachelor of Commerce Master of Tourism Management
Alma materAligarh Muslim University
OrganizationMuslim Arakshan Morcha
  • Md Ozair Siddiqui (father)
  • Rahnuma Shabnam Siddiqui (mother)

Md Perwez Siddiqui, is an Indian social activist turned politician. He is the founder and national president of Muslim Arakshan Morcha.[1]


Siddiqui was born on 26 February, and brought up in the Muzaffarpur district, Bihar. Siddiqui was born into a family belonging to the Muslim . Siddiqui's father, Md Oziri Siddiqui a teacher in high school under Government of Bihar. His mother, Rahnuma Shabnam Siddiqui is a housewife. He has an elder brother, Md Jawaid Siddiqui, who works as a engineer with a company in Manglore . His younger brother, Md Tabrez Siddiqui, is a Chartered Accountant and Company Secretary. Md Perwez Siddiqui studied till Class VI at Paramount Academy, in Bihar, before joining S.A.V. School in Muzaffarpur, a Merchant town in Bihar. During his school days, Siddiqui took part in several plays and activities organized by Schools. He completed his Class Tenth board exams in 2008 with a first division. After completion of school, Perwez joined Aligarh Muslim University,taking up commerce in Class XI-XII. Siddiqui has graduated in commerce from the Department of Commerce, AMU,Aligarh in 2014, earning a "first class. " While at the Department of Commerce, he began his involvement in student politics. He found Sir Syed Minority Foundation of India and a year later was selected as a University delegate at its various conference in Delhi. After completing his graduation, he completed Master of Tourism Management from the Aligarh Muslim University.

Political career[edit]

At office of Ministry of Railway in April 2016

While at the Aligarh Muslim University, Siddiqui began getting involved in student politics.In February 2013, he organised a first international seminar at Constitution Club at New Delhi for the restoration of Minority Status of AMU.He is the first from AMU that he organise many seminar and rally at AMU and many other places for the cause of AMU Minority case of AMU.[2][3][4][5] On January 30, 2014 he met with UPA chairperson Smt. Sonia Gandhi and asked to restore the minority status of AMU. He also met with Hon,ble CM of Bihar to urge for support in the Restoration of Minority Status of AMU.[6][7] He also met with various National Leaders BJP President Amit Shah to get support in the resoration of minority status of AMU.[8][9][10] During the demand of minority status of AMU he was threatened to stop the demand of restoration of minority status of AMU but apart from various difficulties he continues his demand.[11]

In 2015 December,Md Perwez Siddiqui became the first student of AMU who met with the HRD minister Smriti Irani and convince her to fund AMU center, Kishanganj.After two days of meeting, the HRD minister allot 134 crores rupees to AMU center,Kishanganj.[12] In 2016 April, He met with Hon,ble Railway Minister Shri Suresh Prabhu and request to make a stoppage of Seemanchal Express at Aligarh Junction for the students who are studying from Seemanchal Districts of Bihar and also present him a frame of glorious pictures of AMU.[13] Siddiqui has also demanded to change the name of movie Aligarh as the name of movie defame the image and reputation of Aligarh District as well as also defame the name of Aligarh Muslim University.[14][15]

Muslim Arakshan Morcha[edit]

In October 2017, he found Muslim Arakshan Morcha and raised the demand for five percent reservation for Muslims in all studies and employment in the state of Bihar and organised a first grand rally in Muzaffarpur.[1][16] After that he organised a massive rally at 22 districts of Bihar with a huge number of Muslims in demand of five percent of reservation for Muslim Community.[17][18][19][20][20] After tha on February 23, 2019 he organised a Raj Bhawan March in which more than ten thousands of Muslims from different districts of bihar are present there.[17][21][22][23][23]

2020 Bihar Assembly elections[edit]

Siddiqui started his career as leader of Muslim Arakshan Morcha which is an organisation based in Bihar and he later formed Rashtriye Alpshankhayak Arakshan Morcha. The party allied with Pappu Yadav led Jan Adhikar Party in 2020 Bihar Assembly Elections to form a separate front apart from National Democratic Alliance and United Progressive Alliance.

In the elections it contested against these two grand alliances besides an another front called Grand Democratic Secular Front, which was spearheaded by Rashtriya Lok Samata Party and contained other regional parties like All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen and Suhaldev Samaj Party among others.[24][25][26] The front led by Pappu Yadav and Azad was named as Progressive Democratic Alliance (PDA).[27]

Award and recognition[edit]

Siddiqui has been awarded Emerging Youth Leader of India by AMU Alumni UAE at Sharjah, UAE two times during the programme of Sir Syed Day and also he received Vicenium Award at Mallapuram, Kerala by Sayyid Ibraheem Khaleel Al Bukhari.[28][29][30][31]

Meeting with Mr. Erodgan at Istanbul, Turkey
Meeting with Mayor,Izmir Turkey

International Recognition[edit]

Siddiqui has been invited by Turkish Maarif Foundation at Istanbul and has been honoured by Nurettin Erodgan Asia Pacific Coordinatorship of Turkish Maarif Foundation and also had a great meeting with Mayor of Izmir, Turkey . Siddiqui also Visited to UAE and Nepal.


  1. ^ a b "मुस्लिमों को अलग से मिले पांच फीसदी आरक्षणः मुस्लिम आरक्षण मोर्चा|muzaffarpur Videos in Hindi - हिंदी वीडियो, लेटेस्ट-ब्रेकिंग न्यूज़ हिंदी वीडियो में". News18 India.
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  12. ^ "Smriti Irani sanctions Rs 134 cr for AMU centre". 7 December 2015.
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  14. ^ "Change the name of movie "Aligarh" as it shows gay sex only in Aligarh - Perwez". 1 March 2016.
  15. ^ "Aligarh movie to be screened in Aligarh Muslim University | India News - Times of India". The Times of India.
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  18. ^ "आरक्षण को लेकर सड़क पर उतरा अल्पसंख्यक समुदाय". Dainik Jagran.
  19. ^ "बिहार: मोतिहारी में आरक्षण की मांग के लिए सड़कों पर उतरा मुस्लिम समुदाय – Nvp News". 15 December 2018.
  20. ^ a b "बिहार:प्रशान्त किशोर के काफिले का घेराव कर मुस्लिम आरक्षण मोर्चा के कार्यकर्ताओं ने दिखाए काले झंडे".
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  25. ^ "पप्पू यादव ने चिराग से पूछा, नीतीश बुरे तो भाजपा अच्छी कैसे". 7 October 2020.
  26. ^ "Six parties form a new front with RSLP's Kushwaha as CM candidate". The Hindu. Retrieved 2020-10-10.
  27. ^ "Bihar polls: Pappu Yadav's Jan Adhikar Party floats new alliance". Retrieved 2020-10-10.
  28. ^ in, Maeeshat (25 November 2015). "AMU Alumni Forum-UAE Celebrates Sir Syed Day in Sharjah". Maeeshat.
  29. ^ "AMU Alumni Forum UAE marks Sir Syeds bicentenary with an international conference | My AMU".
  30. ^ "AMU fraternity urged to adopt Kerala model for empowerment of Muslims in North |".
  31. ^ "Education Archives".

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Reply to Perwez query[edit]

Having to reply here as the 'hat' seems to have removed half the article content and the thread will not edit no matter what I do (even tryin to convert to COT / COB) possibly due to sig closing double curlies:

Gross tons convert template[edit]

In Robert Logan (naval architect) I would like to use gross tons template for a GA review. I don't understand how to use it. Can an expert use this convert template where it says 2,775 gross tons . Thanks for the help.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

Gross tonnage is not convertible. It refers to the internal volume of a ship; it is not a unit of mass.
Trappist the monk (talk) 12:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)


I am an author and I have (I thought) uploaded a page about myself - but though I can see it on my contributions section - i cannot find it on wikipedia. I've neer done this before and I may have done it incorrectly - I did not add a link to my book See Glass as I was not sure if you were allowed to or not and I did not wish to violate the rules? I think my page should be called Ido Graf

Please can someone help me?

Many thanks

Ido Graf — Preceding unsigned comment added by IdoGraf (talkcontribs) 13:53, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

It was blanked. We do not approve of people writing about themselves. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Takes a strong man to deny... 14:21, 27 October 2020 (UTC)