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August 1[edit]

How do I add my name[edit]

I want to add my name to lgbtq businessmen in Alabama. How do I do I do that please? Or gay business owner in Alabama thank you, Tim Bigham — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4C4:80:40C0:B88A:2485:7C9D:D439 (talk) 04:05, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Those lists are only for folks who are notable, i.e. they currently have a Wikipedia article. Only folks who have received significant media coverage qualify for articles. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n! 05:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Looking for any old records Tommy Dorsey early days with a singer[edit]

Gertrude Marion Paige Huffine (Lussier)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8803:8400:BA9:B8D4:D010:8241:7E08 (talk) 05:54, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

This is, unfortunately, not the place to ask for old records. If you have any questions about using or editing Wikipedia, we'll answer them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Creating a page[edit]

Is information in Four More Shots Please! about episodes sufficient to create a list of episodes article?? - Pritam Shaw (talkcontribs) 07:09, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

⬆️Pritam Shaw🍀 (💬📝) 14:13, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
@Pritam Shaw: My opinion is that there isn't enough content in the article to warrant splitting out the episodes into a separate article. See also Wikipedia:Television episodes. GoingBatty (talk) 18:06, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia[edit]

Hi team,

I am new to Wikipedia and have added a content. However, it was deleted by a user.

Can you kindly let us know what was incorrect in the entry (see history section), to assist with learning to add contributions to wikipedia.

Thanks --CHATEAUSOLEIL (talk) 11:22, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

CHATEAUSOLEIL Who is "us"? Only a single person should have access to and be operating your account. Regarding your question, list articles such as the one you edited should only have people listed who already have an article on Wikipedia, or at a minimum has an independent reliable source to support the content. 331dot (talk) 11:32, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
While the person in question (Austin Fernando) does have an article about him, you did not provide a wikilink to that article. There is also nothing in that article to indicate that he has achieved the honor described, nor did you provide any source for such an assertion. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:44, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
CHATEAUSOLEIL I notice that "Chateau Soleil" is the name of several companies and other entities. If you are associated with any such entity (and perhaps otherwise) you cannot use this as a user name, since it implies a group user. Please see WP:USERNAME. you may go through the elaborate username change process, or you may simply abandon this username and create a new account. The account must be for a specific individual, not a group and not a corporate position. -Arch dude (talk) 20:56, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Title of an article[edit]

How do I add a name to an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Space chinedu (talkcontribs) 12:55, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@Space chinedu: Can you be more more specific about what you are trying to do and provide a link to any article where you are encountering difficulty? (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Subject: The title for this page:[edit]

Dear Wikipedia Why is it that on this page the title is List of BBC children's television programmes, when it should actually be List of programmes broadcast by CBBC? If this is true then can I or you please change it to the alternative title? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by AJG007 (talkcontribs) 16:25, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, AJG007. The place to suggest this is at Talk:List of BBC children's television programmes. But I notice that there is a section List of BBC children's television programmes#Former programming, and many programmes in that were before CBBC was invented. --ColinFine (talk) 16:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Userpage Templates[edit]

I've seen some Userpage Templates that I like and want to use. But I couldn't seem to find anything talking about the rules of them. I don't want to get in trouble for using a user page template. Can someone give me some more information about this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ARegularWisconsinite (talkcontribs) 17:22, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

@ARegularWisconsinite: The Wikipedia essay called Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars comes to mind. At the bottom of that are links to related essays. GoingBatty (talk) 17:58, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi, ARegularWisconsinite. It sounds as if GoingBatty thinks you mean "warning templates you might put on other people's user talk pages", and has advised you accordingly. I interpreted your question as about your own user page, and reply that as long as you are in accordance with WP:User pages, you can do what you want. --ColinFine (talk) 18:01, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: Yes, I am talking about my user page. So I can add the template to my user page but I just have to follow the rules on WP:User pages? For context, I am talking about a template like this. Thank you! ARegularWisconsinite (talk) 18:34, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
ARegularWisconsinite, that's pretty much it. I'm guessing your concern is: "are you allowed to use templates that others have created for (presumably) their own use?" Everything on Wikipedia is covered by WP:CC BY-SA, so you are allowed to take someone else's edits here and build upon them. I am a little less clear here, but to the best of my knowledge, attribution isn't necessary in these situations, but might be done as a formality. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
@Tenryuu: Thank you for your help! ARegularWisconsinite (talk) 19:08, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
No eplicit attribution is needed, since you cannot use a template without adding its name to your page source. If you copied the text of a template inn order to make a customne template of your own, you would need explicit attribution. -Arch dude (talk) 20:13, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Are you saying that if one were to transclude the template no attribution is needed, but if one were substituting the code onto the new page attribution is required? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:33, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Basically yes. If the source code itself provides a way for an interested editor to see where the original "creative elements" came from, then no further attribution is needed. If you do a copy-and-paste, then you must attribute the source, per Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia. This is just my common-sense interpretation: If in interested editor has a way to see where the information came from, then the requirement for attribution is satisfied. -Arch dude (talk) 20:50, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
ARegularWisconsinite - Sorry for misunderstanding! I have added lots of userbox templates on my userpage, presuming that people create userboxes for everyone to use. When I copied a whole table from someone and pasted it in my userpage, I gave an attribution to the user as a courtesy, but don't know if they ever saw it or care. "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery". GoingBatty (talk) 19:12, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Picture next to name[edit]

How to put my picture next to my name please help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phumzile Nozinyo (talkcontribs) 22:38, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Phumzile Nozinyo. Do you mean you would like a picture of yourself on your user page? If so, you need to upload a picture which you have the copyright to to Wikimedia Commons: it's easiest using the Upload wizard. When you have got it uploaded, it will tell you the string you need to put on your user page to display the picture. If you have a selfie, that's easiest. If you want a picture that somebody else took, then they probably hold the copyright, and it's easiest to ask them to upload the picture to Commons.
I sugget you have a look at User pages to see what is allowed on user pages. You're allowed to have a limited amount of information about you that is not related to your work as a Wikipedia editor, but promotion or advertising is not allowed. I don't think anybody will object to the amount you say about your work at present, but please don't include any more promotion about it. --ColinFine (talk) 09:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

August 2[edit]

"Wikibious" appears to be a misinformation website posing as wikibios.[edit]

​To Whom it May Concern,

While researching a very odd story concerning the assault of Senator Tim Carpenter in Madison, WI., I came across a couple of articles that claim to have been written by Anne Tyler. The articles are about one Samantha Hamer and Kerida O'Reilly, who allegedly assaulted the Senator during a BLM protest in Madison, WI. A Google search of their names brings up the articles on one

I am dropping this note out of concern for Ms. Tyler's good name and Wikibios alike. I trust Wikipedia has means to combat this type of misinformation, and wish all of you well.


T.K. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikibios is not affiliated with Wikipedia. You will need to contact them regarding any incorrect information displayed there. RudolfRed (talk) 00:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, there is no Wikimedia project titled as such, and so do not have anything to do with Wikimedia. They look more like blogs powered by Wordpress. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:42, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
The term Wiki refers to a type of software (there are hundreds such) and to the sites that any of use this software (there are tens of thousands of such). The term predates the MediaWiki software that The WMF uses. WMF has no affiliation even with all sites using the MediaWiki software, much less with all Wikis. -Arch dude (talk) 04:01, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Incidentally, I can't find a site called Wikibios. It seems to have existed once (there are some references to it on other sites), and I can find Wikibious, Wikibiosalary,, but the site itself doesn't seem to exist. --ColinFine (talk) 15:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Move without leaving Redirect[edit]


Greetings, can an admin here move the following without leaving redirect? I asked Wugapodes earlier at Special:Diff/970464898, seems they are not been around still.

(If there is still better naming convention, please let me know.)

- Timbaaa -> ping me 02:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Accidental File Naming Process.[edit]

Hello. I uploaded a file to Wikipedia. However, my file had a processing error and it repeated it's name WAY too many times. I can't figure out how to rename or delete the file. Can somebody please help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LocalContributor281 (talkcontribs) 02:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@LocalContributor281: WP:MOF describes the process to request moving the file to a new name. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 06:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I guess this is about File:Huey, Dewey, and Louie.gifHuey, Dewey, and LouieHuey, Dewey, and Louie.gif . Maproom (talk) 08:15, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


I see that I am blocked from editing and commenting (I believe) for a period of two years. Why? Novemberkind (talk) 09:44, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

If that account had been blocked, you wouldn't have been able to ask your question here. If you have another account which is blocked, you need to submit an unblock request from that account. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Footnotes in headings[edit]

Hello. Is there any way to add footnotes into headings without the footnote appearing in the table of contents? Thanks, Alextheconservative (talk) 10:08, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Alextheconservative: I can't think of a valid reason to put a footnote in a heading. Why/where do you want to do that (so we can suggest an alternative)? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 10:23, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
User:AlanM1 I am making a page about British political parties and wanted to point out that Sinn Féin was also active in Ireland. Thanks, Alextheconservative (talk) 11:47, 2 August 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alextheconservative (talkcontribs) 11:46, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
Headings should not contain footnotes, see MOS:HEADINGS. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:25, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

It seems to me that an article on "British " political parties ought to be an article on "UK" political parties, since Ireland was an important part of British politics up to 1921 and beyond, and Northern Ireland is still an important part of British politics. Sinn Fein ought to be included not as a footnote but as a separate section in just the same way as the Conservative, Labour and Liberal parties. The same goes for the various Ulster Unionist, Scots Nationalist parties and Plaid Cymru. Where should one stop? The Communists, Fascists and various other parties have all been active at various times.Spinney Hill (talk) 09:10, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

There is an article called "List of political parties in the United Kingdom". It is not just a list. There is some text and and most of the parties listed have blue links. Is another article required? I appreciate you may have some angle that has not so far been covered and may need to be notice in Wikipedia. Spinney Hill (talk) 08:53, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Now I see the point of the original question having seen the sandbox draft. I think that where the party operates in two parliaments (eg the Dail and the Northern Ireland Assembly or the UK Parliament and the Scottish Parliament) that fact should appear as normal text in the article before the table for the relevant party. In each case you could say as text in the table if the leader was leader of the party in general or in a particular parliament or both if it be the case. Spinney Hill (talk) 12:12, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Laïka Fatien[edit]

Hi My name is Laika Fatien and I'm a french singer. My page was created years ago by Universal Music France. I would like today to add a picture of myself and translate it in french too. Could you please help me in the process ?

Thank you so much. Laika — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:861:3D80:CF0:FDFB:F2D8:1F0E:350E (talk) 14:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Laika. I'm afraid that you (and Universal Music France) have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is: it is not social media or a directory, it is an encyclopaedia, which contains neutrally written articles about notable subjects, based almost entirely on independent published materials. The article Laïka Fatien is not your page, it is Wikipedia's article about you, and UMF should not have created it, at least, not without declaring their Conflict of interest. The article is likely to get deleted, unless somebody posts enough suitable independent reliable published sources to establish that you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. (I'm not saying you don't, just that the article does nothing to establish that you do).
Having said that, you're welcome to upload and add a picture, provided that the copyright holder (which will usually be the photographer, not you, unless you have an agreement that specifically assigns copyright to you) is willing to license the picture under a copyleft licence such as CC-BY-SA, (which will allow anybody to reuse or modify the image for any purpose). If you or your photographer wishes to do that, please use the Upload wizard.
As for translating into French: there was a French article fr:Laïka Fatien, but it has been moved to fr:Utilisateur:Hannah Swerve/Laïka Fatien, and is also at risk of deletion unless some reliable sources are provided. Pinging Hannah Swerve, who has also edited the en-wiki article recently. --ColinFine (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
For the record, the initial article was created by User:Epeefleche, not by the subject's label or any undisclosed paid editor, back in 2006. I see a lot of suspicious editing activity on the article, but UMF did not create this article. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Donation[edit]

Hi I already donated 525 INR yesterday through my mobile. But I still get a request for donation when I browse through the website on desktop. How to remove that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:35, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The only way to keep from seeing such a message is to create an account and choose that option in your account Preferences. The message system has no way to know that the person holding the phone or sitting at the computer using that IP address at that moment has seen the message or donated. 331dot (talk) 14:38, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Archiving messages on my talk page?[edit]

Hi, I see no obvious way to archive messages that were sent to me. I have searched. Sorry, it seems basic but after years i haven't found the way...

Spinner (talk) 15:18, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Spinner. It's easy to set up a bot to do it. See Help:Archiving a talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 15:32, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Ta. I was almost there too!

Spinner (talk) 15:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Is it Wikipedia requesting for Donations?[edit]

On Wikipedia page i found an advertisement for Donation to Wikipedia. Please clarify is it you or any misleading page is created. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4041:2E9F:C740:F19F:E072:F14C:E1D (talk) 15:43, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

The Wikimedia foundation often asks for donations to help it maintain this project, and others around the world. If you create an account, you can set your preferences so that it won't keep showing you the requests. GirthSummit (blether) 15:45, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


How do I include my organization's logo on our Wikipedia page? I've tried to upload the original logo file as well as a screenshot of the file, but Wikipedia keeps saying it cannot determine if the file complies with their terms and that I can only upload a photo I've taken with my camera. I need to update the organization's logo, so any help would be much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PATHFoundationAtlanta (talkcontribs) 16:17, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

PATHFoundationAtlanta First, you should create a new account with a username that reflects that a specific individual is exclusively operating your account(your real name is not required, just something unique to you). Something like "JoePublic of PATHFoundation" would be acceptable. Once you do that, you will need to read and formally comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies(the latter is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory).
For information on uploading images, please see WP:UPIMAGE. 331dot (talk) 16:21, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
But WP:Logos might be more helpful for the specific instance here. --ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

To remove template in my page[edit]

I have created the profile in the Wikipedia page ... how can i remove the inserted template — Preceding unsigned comment added by Profcramkumar (talkcontribs) 17:30, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

@Profcramkumar: It appears that you have written an autobiography at Draft:Dr. C. Ram Kumar. Wikipedia doesn't have profiles, it has encyclopedia articles. Please read WP:PSCOI, WP:AUTO, WP:Drafts and Help:Your first article before considering whether to proceed. GoingBatty (talk) 17:54, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
And the reason that Wikipedia doesn't have profiles, Profcramkumar, is that profiles are generally written by or for the subject. In an encyclopaedia article about you, Wikipedia basically has no interest in anything that you say or want to say about yourself, or that your associates or institutions say about you. It is only interested in what people who have no connection with you, and have not been prompted by or primed with information from you, have chosen to publish about you. --ColinFine (talk) 18:45, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


I am a new user and I confirmed my page through my email but I cannot upload anything and what am I supposed to do to get that opportunity I read the instructions but it’s confusing to me

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by SearchandAnswer (talkcontribs) 17:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

SearchandAnswer You must be autoconfirmed in order to upload images; your account must be four days old and have 10 edits or more. 331dot (talk) 17:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
SearchandAnswer You can also directely upload images to our sister project Wikimedia commons here. This is a wizard that will tell you all nessesary stuff you need to know. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 18:31, 2 August 2020 (UTC)


where you put update your password is at — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:283:4203:45A0:41F4:712:73FD:CBF5 (talk) 20:50, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

After you are logged in, there is a button under preferences to change your password. RudolfRed (talk) 20:52, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
special:preferences CompassOwl (talk to me!) 23:14, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
More directly, Special:ChangePassword * Pppery * it has begun... 23:19, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
If you have forgot your password click the "Forgot your password?" link on the logon page or go to Special:PasswordReset. Danski454 (talk) 01:31, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

August 3[edit]


Playing dominos and it’s not giving me the right points or wins it giving away to my conpoment I have wrote about this issue befor and it has not been fixed. Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:6800:E65:84F1:B614:4249:74DE (talk) 00:07, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

This is the help desk for Wikipedia. You will need to contact the website or app creator for the game you are playing. RudolfRed (talk) 00:14, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

How to edit/update the language template of a <> Code block[edit]

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: VHDL


When I write/edit code in the <> Code block some synthax is not show correctly. For example the text between /* */ is not show as comments. Is it possible to edit and fix the language template ?

Thank you for your help :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nik henri (talkcontribs) 01:00, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Notability, and WHat[edit]

"Notability" seems to me to be a rather vaguely defined concept. What exactly constitutes "notability"; and why isn't the state of being factual/accurate and widely refe — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZFT (talkcontribs) 02:48, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@ZFT: For an explanation of the concept as it pertains to Wikipedia, please see Wikipedia:Notability. GoingBatty (talk) 03:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
To summarize, ZFT, a topic is notable, and therefore eligible for a Wikipedia article, if it has received significant coverage in published independent, reliable sources. Every word in that summary is very important to understanding the concept, and these words are interpreted based on the 19+ year history of this encyclopedia. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:11, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Notability, and What Wikipedia Is Not (^I accidentally clicked enter before I was finished)[edit]

"Notability" seems to me to be a somewhat vague concept. What exactly constitutes "notability"; and why isn't merely the state of having a significant amount of factual/accurate/coherent information written about it, and being widely referred to (or in some way related to something that is widely referred to), not sufficient alone for a subject's inclusion? In other words, why can't Wikipedia be an "[almost] indiscriminate collection" of organized information (excluding original research, for I understand Wikipedia is not a place to publish original content)?

For example, concerning the franchise Dungeons and Dragons, which as a whole is notable, I've noticed that there have been many articles about characters, races, places, etc., that have been deleted recently. Where, exactly, is the dividing line between "notable" and "not notable" when it comes to fictional elements of a notable franchise, and what is the purpose behind placing that line where it is? ZFT (talk) 03:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

See WP:Notability. (It's not a policy or guideline, but you might also want to read WP:Fancruft.) Clarityfiend (talk) 06:12, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@ZFT:; When it comes to fictional elements of a notable franchise, the question of what should have an independent article vs. be covered in the context of the fictional franchise isn't so much a question of "notability" as one of due weight, avoiding coatracking, and basic article development. Basically, a fictional character should not have an independent article unless there is so much reliably sourced information that is able to be presented in a real-world context that it would overwhelm the base article (on the book, novel, tv series, movie, comic book series, game, franchise, whatever). ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Question about edit notes[edit]

Could anyone please tell me if it's all right to make an edit note a new paragraph if it gets sufficiently long, say, three or four sentences in length?--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

What do you mean by "edit note"? -- Hoary (talk) 05:40, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@Hoary: In my case, a parenthetical added after posting to cover something I should have brought up in the original post. Sorry not to specify that.--Thylacine24 (talk) 11:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
You mean, something you write on a talk page? If so, avoid tinkering with your post if somebody has already responded to it, and make your new comment in a separate paragraph. (If nobody has responded to it, tinker away.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:35, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@Hoary: Thanks for telling me. I try not to do it if no one's responded to it. I have a talk page comment where this is the case, so I'll go fix it right now.--Thylacine24 (talk) 17:44, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@Hoary: I didn't realize to ask – do you think this should apply even if the edit note is just one sentence? My bad about claiming that I would fix the edit note I was talking about "right now" in my above response to you – I don't feel comfortable doing so until I know for sure about what I'm asking you here. Sorry to be overbearing.--Thylacine24 (talk) 17:47, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Thylacine24, all this baffles me. If an earlier comment gives a wrong impression that could be corrected with an additional comment -- and if anyone is still likely to be interested (if it's a three-year-old comment, they're unlikely to be) -- then make the additional comment. If either comment consists of a single sentence, then the concision is a virtue. -- Hoary (talk) 22:51, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@Hoary: Sorry, just wanted to make sure the "new paragraph" thing only applied to single sentences. I have OCD, so I usually feel it's best to make sure of things like this.--Thylacine24 (talk) 23:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@Hoary: Just made the edit in question, meaning that I went against what I said above about usually making sure of things like this before I make the necessary edit. Sorry about that, and please tell me if I'm understanding you correctly – it's okay to make edit notes different paragraphs even if they're one sentence, right? I mean, I'm not talking about concision itself, just making an edit note a new paragraph. Sorry to not understand what you meant in your third response to me.--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Thylacine24, if you point me to the edits in question, I'll try to comment. -- Hoary (talk) 04:56, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@Hoary: They're on this page. Thanks, by the way.--Thylacine24 (talk) 11:52, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
You wrote something. You've then successively appended corrections -- even though there's been no response from anybody else. It's now very convoluted. Because nobody has yet responded and it's convoluted, I suggest that you revise it so that it says what you now want it to say, as directly as possible, with no appendices. -- Hoary (talk) 12:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
@Hoary: No offense, but that feels dishonest to me.--Thylacine24 (talk) 12:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
If in doubt you can strike out your previous comment (or delete it as nobody has responded to it) and replace it by what you intended to say. You do seem to be in the habit of rethinking after an initial message, so in future it may be worth thinking in more detail before posting your message. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:09, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Citing how widely cited a paper is[edit]

I made the claim that Yeo 2011 is widely cited, which it is. Google & Bing searches show it is cited 3365 times. citeseer show it has 20 pages of references, but none of those are stable URLS. I did various searches, but the only results are neuroscience journals pushing their own journals. Do you have any ideas for how create a valid citation? Thanks Bodysurfinyon (talk) 04:33, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bodysurfinyon. As far as I can see, the only way of creating a valid citation of this claim is by finding and citing a reliable published sources that makes the claim . Anything else is original research, and not acceptable in a Wikipedia article. --ColinFine (talk) 08:49, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Yeaahhhh.... BUT, clearly this is not "original research". This is stable information that is readily confirmable, right? I'm all for the Wikipedia process. If you accept that the previous 2 assertions are correct, then I hope we can agree that looking for a way to confirm this claim is a reasonable course of action. It is a fact that on 2020-08-03 the web search says it has been cited 3365 times. Any takers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bodysurfinyon (talkcontribs) 18:35, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

how to change my user name here?[edit]

how to change my user name here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dr.dinesh charan (talkcontribs) 06:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Dr.dinesh charan, you can just abandon this account and register a new one without any problems. If want to rename your account, though (this is global and will affect your name on all Wikimedia projects), you can do so at this page or here. Please be sure to read the details over at WP:RENAME. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:38, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Substituting a dead source?[edit]

I'm currently trying to improve an article by adding new information to it: "Work This Body". One of the facts about the song's composition in the article: "Petricca also explained that the song's 'ecstatic and clamorous beat' is 'caused by the band's addition of more than a dozen different percussion instruments into the song'" comes from a Spotify track by track commentary which is currently unavailable due to it being removed: The page has been archived on the Internet Archive multiple times, including this link that has a 30 second sample of each track: However, it does not contain the actual part of the article I quoted. The only place I can find it mentioned/paraphrased is on a Genius lyrics page: I know Genius is not generally considered reliable because its content is user-generated, but given the fact that it is the only website to have this piece of information documented that comes from an album commentary that did exist at one point, would it be fine to keep the information with both the Spotify and Genius page cited? Or does its unreliability prevent it from being kept? ThedancingMOONpolice (talk) 08:41, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Time in Indiana[edit]

There's a tag right in the middle of a sentence here. When I look at it in source I can't find it, and when I look in Vis Ed it appears to be transcluded from somewhere, and I think it must have something to do with the external links inline, but I'm not sure what I'm looking at or how I'm supposed to be fixing it. —valereee (talk) 11:24, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Valereee, It was an update required box in Template:INcode whcih I have no-included. Thank you for spotting it Fiddle Faddle 12:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! —valereee (talk) 12:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

emptying empties[edit]

If a category that formerly held 2 entries is now empty (2 article edits done yesterday), by when would/should the categories (nothing unusual about them) be "gone" (by some BOT, I'd imagine)? Pi314m (talk) 14:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Pi314m. If the category itself has ever been edited, so it has some content (eg a description, or a parent category), then it is not empty, and will not be deleted except through the CFD process. If it has no content of its own, then I think that it just disappears when no pages point to it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)


FYI: Heading added by Tenryuu. 14:22, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello i need guidlinesAnurag773923 (talk) 14:21, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Anurag773923: Here is a list of Wikipedia guidelines. If you'd like to be more specific as to what sort of guideline you are looking for, maybe I can help you find the specific guideline you need. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:38, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

i am looking for someone who can guide me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anurag773923 (talkcontribs) 14:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Symbol redirect vote2.svg Courtesy link: Draft:Roshni Kushal Jaiswal --Danski454 (talk) 14:29, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Anurag773923 and welcoem to the Teahouse
Please read Your First Article I can only evaluate the cited sources using Google Translate, which is only of limited value, a fluent speaker of the proper language (Hindi?) would be needed to do a proper review. I note that the first ref ( 4pilla) seems to have significant coverage of Jaiswal. However I don't know how reliable this source may be. Some other sources don't permit copying, so i can't even use Google Translate to judge their content. One other looks as if it might be substantial, but again i can't judge reliability.
Please understand that that an article, particularly an article about a living person requires several independent published reliable sources, each of which must include significant coverage of the subject, not a passing mention to demonstrate notability. Each of those key sources, usually three to five of them, must be all ofmthe4sae, independent, reliable, and have significant coverage. Also too many sources, especicially too many week sources, is as bad as too few. It buries the high-quality sources. You can ask about a specific source at the reliable source noticeboard if you are not sure if it will count.
I did some light copy-editing of Draft:Roshni Kushal Jaiswal for formatting and grammar. In an article the subject should always be refered to by last (family) name alone.
Please read referenching for beginners. Please use Named references top combine repeated use of the same source. Please use |trans-title= and |trans-work= to show the title and publication name of sources not in English, if at all possible. Please do not list the publication name in |first=, |last=, or |author=; those are only for the actual people who wrote the source, when those are known.
If this did not answer your questions, please respond in this thread with more specific questions. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:50, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Quick question[edit]

Is this map accurate for 1980? Sorry if this is the wrong spot, I was unsure whether this should go here or on the reference desk. TheAwesomeHwyh 15:35, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

TheAwesomeHwyh, 1980s#Decolonization and independence suggests that there were no events which redrew borders, but some islands became independent states by 1985 which hadn't been before. --ColinFine (talk) 16:30, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Ah, so it should be fine? TheAwesomeHwyh 16:46, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Can I use Grammarly to help me write and correct articles?[edit]

Félix An (talk) 16:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Félix An: I'm not familiar with Grammarly, but anything that helps produce better quality writing would seem to be a good thing, assuming there are no strings attached to publishing the result here. I doubt it supports wiki syntax, so you'd be editing plain text with it, then copy/pasting the result into the wiki editor to do the wiki markup (linking, references, etc.), just as you would do if you were writing in Microsoft Word or another word processor. Perhaps someone more familiar with it will respond. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:38, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Félix An, Grammarly can be helpful in catching basic misspellings and grammatical errors, but caution should be exercised, as Wikipedia's manual of style is, uh, unique to say the least. I haven't used Grammarly in a very long time, but please be aware that articles use different variations of English that Grammarly might not catch. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

how to make a link pubic which is yet in draft[edit]

dear members,

this is the url of article ( kindly take a look & tell how to make this url live. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vish.mystic (talkcontribs) 16:43, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Vish.mystic. I have added a header so that when you (or anybody else) thinks that the draft meets the requirements for an article (taking especial note of WP:CSMN - I'm not implying that it has any of those mistakes, just that inexperienced editors who attempt the very very difficult task of making a new article often do so) they can pick the button to submit it for review. I realise that it was not you that created the article, but it was evidently created by a media company who don't know the difference between a user page and an article, and who are almost certainly involved in undisclosed paid editing, so it needs to be reviewed carefully. Please link to articles and other pages inside Wikipedia by using Wikilinks, thus [[Draft:Ravindra Singh Bhati]] displays as Draft:Ravindra Singh Bhati. --ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

iPhone 9[edit]

This is a redirect which was last deleted after Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 4#iPhone 9. The redirect was also salted two days later. But, it should soon be de-salted. And then I am also not happy with iPhone X as the target for iPhone 10, which was last discussed at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 15#iPhone 10. It's been weeks since the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 July 4#iPhone 9. I really cannot live without a redirect. Look at all the redirects under the Category:Redirects from incorrect names. All redirects under that category are names that do not exist. For example, there is a redirect for Windows 9. Now look at the following sources:

Neel.arunabh (talk) 18:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

@Neel.arunabh: This is not the place to redo the deletion discussion. You can try at WP:DRV but don't use the arguement that there are other undeleted redirects. RudolfRed (talk) 20:37, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Editing with IOS 9.4[edit]

Is there anyway to fix the formatting when editing wiki with a device running IOS 9.4? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 18:33, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any editing issues with any operating system. If you can be more specific, you can ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

The Guardian Life Insurance Company of America[edit]

This company has updated its trademark; I was reminded of it from images where it appears, taken at Musikfest in 2019 (Guardian has been a sponsor of that festival for many years). is one example thereof. Could a user such as I make this sort of amendment? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zigwithbag (talkcontribs) 19:06, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Why not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
See Logos for the requirements. I don't think an unregistered user can upload images to Wikipedia, though. --ColinFine (talk) 19:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)


I edited the page to provide additional names being used today by descendants of Kosoko. But this was removed by Budhie.

The reason I see is "Test/ vandalism". Kosoko is my great, great, grandfather and today my family bears the name King. This is what I included on wikipedia page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:E60:D670:D104:99CC:BCD9:8C04 (talk) 21:28, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

2607, the statements above are the only contributions to Wikipedia ever made from your IP address. What article are you referring to? Maproom (talk) 22:20, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
I assume you are referring to this edit to Kosoko, reverted by Buidhe. You added unsourced information. Wikipedia does not accept unsourced information. --ColinFine (talk) 23:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
In other words, even information that you "know" from family sources is not acceptable on Wikipedia. Information must be cited to a published, reliable, independent source (click the link for details). This is not only for the purpose of verifiability, but it is often the case that information passed down through generations by word of mouth will change over time, sometimes intentionally embellishing/glorifying the subject (a natural conflict of interest) or sometimes unintentionally (as is demonstrated by the children's game "telephone"). That's why we need to rely on a published source with a reputation for doing their own research and fact-checking before publishing something. I hope this helps. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:54, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia Indeed[edit]


I am writing you in regards to the Wikipedia article for Indeed. I made changes in the infobox and nothing was updated so far. Could you please help me with this issue?

Kind regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indee2020 (talkcontribs) 22:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Indee2020. German Wikipedia is an entirely separate project, with different rules and different templates. It is unlikely that anybody here can help you. Please ask at de:Wikipedia:Fragen zur Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 23:25, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Actually, on the contrary, I can help. de:Indeed uses the template de:Vorlage:Infobox Website, which doesn't contain the fields that you have attempted to set. I suspect the template needs to be changed to de:Vorlage:Infobox Organisation or similar. --ColinFine (talk) 23:36, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
@Indee2020: I see your edits to the German article's infobox. The US version is Indeed, which you have not edited yet. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 23:27, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

August 4[edit]

About my card[edit]

can I use my card anywhere in the world 🌎? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:4980:266:314E:219D:71E2:40D1 (talk) 01:55, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Your card? NYCDOT (talk) 02:02, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
This is a question that is unfortunately out of bounds for the help desk. If you have questions about editing or using Wikipedia we'll answer them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:01, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

How to see history?[edit]

FYI: Heading created by Tenryuu. 04:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)


At the very bottom of the wiki page, there used to be a hyperlink I could click to see the page edit history. Now the bottom of the page looks like the text below, and there is no hyperlink. Clicking on the text doesn’t bring me to a page history.

Is there any way to go back to the old model?

[/w/index.php?title=Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_2020_United_States_presidential_election&action=history Last edited 3 hours ago] by [/wiki/User:Mikemikem Mikemikem] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemikem (talkcontribs) 02:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Mikemikem, did you switch skins recently? The link to an article's history should be at the top of the page. Alternatively, you can press Alt+H if you're using Google Chrome as a shortcut. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

I am referring to the very bottom of the page on mobile, that user to say “last edited 5 minutes ago by mikemikem” and I could click on that and it would show me all of the recent edits

I should have clarified, this is only in the mobile version. At the bottom of the page, under all of the references, under the “Categories” box, is a green bar, and in that green bar it would say “Last edited X minutes ago by Mikemikem” or whoever else last edited the page, and it could be clicked on and pull up the edit history.

But for some reason that changed and I am no longer able to click on it to pull up the edit history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikemikem (talkcontribs) 05:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Mikemikem: This is a new bug, and the developers are investigating. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:19, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Search "" ,about 1,051 pages,it`s unreliable sources.[edit] (百度百科) is a Online Encyclopedia in China like wikipedia. eg. hua chenyuJay Chou. And (互动百科),about 377 pages. ——Hikaruangeel (talk) 04:38, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Hikaruangeel, this is being discussed at the reliable sources noticeboard. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:49, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

how to create a page[edit]

Please guide me on how to create a page for college — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:36, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Successfully creating a new Wikipedia article(not just a mere "page") is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. It takes much time and practice. New users greatly increase their chances of success if they first spend much time editing existing articles in areas that interest them, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.
However, if you still want to attempt to create a new article, you may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft, though I would read Your First Article beforehand. If you work for this college, you will need to review and formally comply with the paid editing policy, and you should also review conflict of interest. This college will need to receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that have chosen on their own to write about the college, and those sources must show how the college meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Not every college merits a Wikipedia article. 331dot (talk) 08:47, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Natalie Wood Famous Actress and Film star[edit]

Dear Sir or Madam,

I am respectfully contacting regarding the article about Natalia Wood, Hollywood flim star and famous Actress. The article states she was from Russian decent and that her parents where Russian. There is disputes regarding this information From her autobiography it states her family were Ukrainian, on farther side they were from Kharkiv. There are photos of her in Ukrainian national dress, statements about her strong Ukrainian accent and many Ukrainian sites states she was a famous actress of Ukrainian decent scroll down to find the pictureof her in Ukrainan tradistional national dress. Although born in the US, Natalie spoke Ukrainian and even Russian with strong Ukrainian accent. According to “Natasha: The Biography of Natalie Wood” book by Suzanne Finstad, for one of her Hollywood roles she had to “fine-tune her Russian dialect.. to lose her parents' Ukrainian accent. Natalie Wood with her father Nicholas Zakharenko (Ukrainians) and mother Maria Stepanovna Zakharenko (Russian) and sister's Lana Wood (born Svetlana Gurdin, March 1, 1946) and Olga Viriapaeff.

I respectfully ask if her article can be amended to include the information that she was Ukrainian please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Derekthomp58 (talkcontribs) 10:04, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

@Derekthomp58: Hello, the place to suggest changes is at Talk:Natalie Wood. Or you can make the changes yourself ensuring that sources you provide are considered reliable. (Social media such as Pinterest, would not be accepted). If you do not wish to do so you can request changes at the talk page using Template:Request edit. However the mentions of Russia seem to be sourced at the article and I'm not well-versed on whether Ukraine would be considered 'Russian' contemporaneously. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 10:20, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Derekthomp58, the article Natalie Wood states that her father was from Vladivostok and her mother from Barnaul. Both claims are supported by references. Both cities were and are in Russia, not Ukraine. Maproom (talk) 11:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
Maproom, notoriously, the USSR forced plenty of internal migration (often via cattle truck and the like) on its citizens. It was common for Ukrainians to be sent to such places and forced to remain there. (I have no opinion about whether this applied to these two people.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:31, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Dev Patel has an Emmy nomination[edit]


Dev Patel has an Emmy nomination for 2020. Please update. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:53, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Please make your request at the talk page of the article concerned; please be sure to provide a reliable source to support your suggestions. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 11:20, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Page version history - sorting by section title[edit]

Is there way to display a complicated page history filtered or sorted by section heading? Of course I can download and massage them offwiki but I mean as part of the Wiki interface, maybe with tools or scripts or something? Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 14:44, 4 August 2020 (UTC)