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- 1 Comments
- 2 Updated page with more history and info relating the Turkestan Yurt pictured
- 3 Add new page for yurt inspired structures?
- 4 In Russian a kibitka is
- 5 Don't even say it...
- 6 What's not relevant about it?
- 7 shangrak?
- 8 Names in other languages
- 9 Ethymolgy
- 10 Clarification of difference between yurt and ger. Expansion of leader,
- 11 Usage of Yurt
The picture will have to go! A yurt is covered with felt!
I would like to state that surely the Yurts of Central Asia, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan etc are still 'Yurts' even if they utilise a canvas cover over an underlying cover of felt? This is quite common in some areas and certainly in Mongolia (Gers) where it is cheaper for the Yurt owner to use canvas instead of replacing an old felt cover due to the high value of sheep fleeces. --Yurtshop 19:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Indeed, this is not a yurt in the traditional sense.
It would be nice if Yomes could also be mentioned, they are not exactly yurts, but are relatd to them, and come from the same part of the world
In Australia, people build eight sided buildings that they refer to as yurts. They can be made from all kinds of materials, wood, mud brick etc.
I added a photo of a Kalmyk encampment (with ghers) in the Kalmyk article. Check it out.
--Buzava 19:01, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
Updated page with more history and info relating the Turkestan Yurt pictured
I have recently uploaded a new page to my website. It discusses the recreation of a Turkoman Yurt from original plan and is the same plan for the design of the 'Turkestan Yurt' pictured on the Wikipedia Yurt page. It covers Yurt shapes, terminology, regional information relating specifically to the Turkoman Yurt and other valuable information. The page can be found at http://www.yurtshop.com/history_of_yurts.html and will be added to as i continue to interpret the reconstruction conclusions and research. I would like this page be added as a useful external link in the Wiklipedia Yurts page [email protected] --Yurtshop 19:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Add new page for yurt inspired structures?
Does the community think that there should be mention of other structures that are inspired by the traditional yurt? I am thinking about things like Tapered-wall wooden yurts and frame-panel wooden yurts as documented by http://yurtinfo.org. Though not traditional yurts, it seems valuable to include structures that get inspiration from the yurt.
What are the thoughts on creating a new dedicated page about shelters that have evolved from the yurt? Does anyone else detect a negative tone under the "modern yurts" section concerning structures not strictly adhering to the authors interpretation? Perhaps this page can remain geared towards the traditional structures, and a new page can discuss structures that have evolved or taken inspiration from the yurt.
Yurt head 20:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- I don't think there's enough noteworthy information about variations and derivatives of the yurt to warrant a separate article, fine structures though they may be. -- Super Aardvark 17:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
- When sufficient new structures have been added to the existing page (I would suggest three items), I would support the creation of a separate page. BrainyBabe 18:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
In Russian a kibitka is
a tented vehicle used by some nomads, e.g. Roma. It is not built on the ground.
- All the sources I've seen online indicate that the word can refer to either a vehicle or a structure built on the ground. -- Super Aardvark 18:42, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't even say it...
I know it may seem impossible that color photographs existed in 1913, but it's true. They have existed for much longer than that, but did not come into popular use until fairly recently.Landroo 03:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC) hi. i like cheese.
What's not relevant about it?
Latebird, why have you reverted this page, removing my contribution about yurts in popular culture? You cite relevancy, but the quote is about Yurts and it's in the right section, so what's not relevant about it?
AndyC1976 16:54, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
- Your first statement was Original Research. Don't make such general statements based on your own TV viewing experience alone. You may have just been watching the wrong stations.
- Your actual example is about someone in a series saying something stupid and blatantly wrong. How does that help our readers understand the nature of yurts? There would be much better and more relevant occurrences of yurts in popular culture. Have you seen the movie Troy for example? Or The Story of the Weeping Camel and The Cave of the Yellow Dog? --Latebird 17:47, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
The term shangrak is used in the section on symbolism but is never defined. What's a shangrak? 188.8.131.52 21:46, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Names in other languages
I know that yurts are also used in China, not just by Inner Mongolians, but probably also by some other minorities. However, I do not think the Chinese name is relevant in this article, as yurts are no Han Chinese dwelling. The Russian name is relevant for ethymology, and because it might appear sometimes in english texts , but I don't think we should create a list of words for yurts in foreign languages. In fact, I know a yurt that is located less than three km from where I am writing now, still I don't think it is appropriate to add the German word for yurt into the article.
If you could, say, provide evidence that Hui frequently live in yurts and call their dwelling Menggu bao, then we might include the Chinese name. Otherwise I don't really see the point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yaan (talk • contribs) 18:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
- You may be right. In fact, I cannot be sure whether the writer of that paragraph made it intentionally or not. He has to answer that. Mir egal. Thchüss! --Chapultepec (talk) 18:21, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
Although ancestors of the Hungarians did come from the eurasian steppes, the term 'Jurta' for Yurt is a direct borrowing from Russian, so I deleted the line listing this as a term that Yurt-using cultures use for the structure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 14:39, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Hi guys, I'm wondering, what exaclty is the etymology of uy from yurt and/or ghar from yurt? are they at all related? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 07:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Clarification of difference between yurt and ger. Expansion of leader,
I have tried to expand the leader and clarify the distinction between yurts and gers. It is my understanding that Mongolian people can be offended by westerners referring to their homes with the Turkic name and this shows cultural insensitivity Tim Barnden 27/10/20011
Surely there should be a separate article for Ger. The first part of this article on the Yurt emphasises that the two are different -but then gers are not treated separately! Simon Clarke (talk) 08:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
Having lived in Mongolia and visited there for the past 8 years, and having a Mongolian wife, I can state without a doubt that Mongolians are offended by the reference of yurts to gers. Gers should have their own wiki page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 08:51, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
- I have never come across this. Maybe it is an issue that only English-speaking Mongolians (as opposed to German-speaking, French-speaking or Russian-speaking Mongolians) have?
- I have deleted the whole paragraph. The assertion that ger and yurt are fundamentally different seemed to be only a private opinion, given without any sources. In any case, Mongolians themselves don't make this distinction: The Mongolian word for Mongolian yurt is Mongol ger, and the word for Kazakh yurt is Kazakh ger. There also seemed to be some factual errors: Mongolian yurt walls are always slightly curved, not straight (this is necessary to give the yurts their round shape, btw), and there are Mongolian yurt types without support columns, On the other hand, according to the internet (e.g. ) Kazakh yurts can have supports too.
- Yaan (talk) 18:13, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
Usage of Yurt
The word is used not only this kind of special tents but rather for the whole camp or homestead.It was mistakenly applied to the tent by European travellers and from their reports naturally found its way into the vocabulary of ethnologists. The word in Turkish is"Çadır" intead of "Yurt"for such kind of tents.(reference= Kaare Gronbech, The Steppe Region in the World History) rinduzahid(talk) 01:47, 15 December 2011 (UTC)